Borza showed us today why trying to even split an 800 doesn't always work. He went out at the back, and slowly moved his way up, only to find himself in no position to make any kind of move (when Gary Reed boxed him in). You could tell he wanted to move, but he just couldn't.
beautiful analysis....i am speechless on this.
He got bumped around some too, maybe by Reed. He didn't move up at 400 as much as he has done in the past.
I wonder what would happen if he went out hard.
maybe you should show him how you are suppose to run 142, since your better at it then him. btw, slap him with all your olympic and world championship medals. I bet he kills himself because he didn't win the prefonatine classic! (end of the world!)
ps. this was his first meet of the year.
not it wrote:
maybe you should show him how you are suppose to run 142, since your better at it then him. btw, slap him with all your olympic and world championship medals. I bet he kills himself because he didn't win the prefonatine classic! (end of the world!)
ps. this was his first meet of the year.
What the f***?
Why did you interpret this is a personal attack on Borza? Your reading comprehension sucks donkey dick.
Also, the idea that a slower runner cannot criticize a faster one is one of the most ass-backwards things here on Letsrun, and that's saying a lot.
ok, my bad, that was a little harsh. but easy on your language...makes it hard to show that you are classier than the person your dissing.
Edit: hard to tell him to change his racing tactics because he has been very successfull using them in both fast and championship races. Also, i don't think he was to worried about winning this meet. I read a few days ago this is his first race after a long base training phase.
Find a video of the women's 8 and see how maggie vessey won her 800 today at Pre....
Even Steven wrote:
Find a video of the women's 8 and see how maggie vessey won her 800 today at Pre....
You’re right – Maggie Vessey ran even splits to win the Women’s 800, however, that is rarely the case. The original post asked a legitimate question. It seems very hard, almost impossible, to win a fast 800 meter race with the strategy of running an even paced race – why?
some people like to kick like hell the last 200 or what have you. some like to go out hard and hang on for dear life. everyones different. right?
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maybe you should show him how you are suppose to run 142, since your better at it then him. btw, slap him with all your olympic and world championship medals. I bet he kills himself because he didn't win the prefonatine classic! (end of the world!)
ps. this was his first meet of the year.
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I think the reason it is so rarely successful is simply because the 800 has zero margin for mistakes. Any one strategy tends not to work well in the 800 very often. KD tried to sit and kick today and it didn't work for him. Symmonds usually waits 'til 100m to go, but today he went earlier. Going out hard and hanging on didn't work for KD at the trials. And, as we saw today, even splits can work sometimes, and other times not.
It does seem, though, that running your very fastest for 800m requires you to positive split by 2-3 seconds. However, given that, an even split strategy works GREAT if you are dead-sure that the leaders went out TOO hard. cf. Dave Wottle in 1972. Like I said, there is zero margin for error. So if you're half a second too fast at 400m, you're going to be toast at 700m. If you're even faster, then you're gonna be toast earlier (like Jelimo: 55, 69--ouch).
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I think the reason it is so rarely successful is simply because the 800 has zero margin for mistakes. Any one strategy tends not to work well in the 800 very often. KD tried to sit and kick today and it didn't work for him. Symmonds usually waits 'til 100m to go, but today he went earlier. Going out hard and hanging on didn't work for KD at the trials. And, as we saw today, even splits can work sometimes, and other times not.
It does seem, though, that running your very fastest for 800m requires you to positive split by 2-3 seconds. However, given that, an even split strategy works GREAT if you are dead-sure that the leaders went out TOO hard. cf. Dave Wottle in 1972. Like I said, there is zero margin for error. So if you're half a second too fast at 400m, you're going to be toast at 700m. If you're even faster, then you're gonna be toast earlier (like Jelimo: 55, 69--ouch).
Good Answer
Very true, although I think Jelimo was probably toast regardless of her first 400.
not it wrote:
ok, my bad, that was a little harsh. but easy on your language...makes it hard to show that you are classier than the person your dissing.
Edit: hard to tell him to change his racing tactics because he has been very successfull using them in both fast and championship races. Also, i don't think he was to worried about winning this meet. I read a few days ago this is his first race after a long base training phase.
This is an anonymous message board, why should I give a shit about being classy?
This is an anonymous message board, why should I give a shit about being classy?[/quote]
ok, then why did you care that my original post hurt someones feelings or was a personal attack on borza.
anyway, i think you have to run an 800 however you feel must comfortable. and i enjoy watching borza come from behind.
Coming from behind (lol) is a risky strategy because there's always the danger of getting boxed in. Regardless of how much faster you can go, you're stuck going the same speed as those around you or slowing down even more to get around them.
Ticktock wrote:
Coming from behind (lol) is a risky strategy because there's always the danger of getting boxed in. Regardless of how much faster you can go, you're stuck going the same speed as those around you or slowing down even more to get around them.
true, that's why i think he does better in championship races where there are only 7 other people to navigate.
this reflects the downfall of the American school system
as discussed in another thread.
not it wrote:
Ticktock wrote:Coming from behind (lol) is a risky strategy because there's always the danger of getting boxed in. Regardless of how much faster you can go, you're stuck going the same speed as those around you or slowing down even more to get around them.
true, that's why i think he does better in championship races where there are only 7 other people to navigate.
And that's also why he tends to go straight to the back, so he stay clear of and watch the rest of the field so he doesn't get boxed in when he begins to pass people.
Also, if you don't count the rabbit, there were only 8 other athletes in the race, so it's not really different than a championship race in terms of size.
Also, if you don't count the rabbit, there were only 8 other athletes in the race, so it's not really different than a championship race in terms of size.[/quote]
sorry, bad example, i didn't even look to see how many people were in the race. I do know that i have seen several races in europe where he has got caught behind a large field and not been able to make his way to the front.