False Start men's 3k

It's not that hard to false start in a distance race. The noise can be distracting; if the field is fairly large, the starter can hold runners longer (in the set position) than they're used to; and if you haven't practiced starts much, and combine that with the pre-race jitters in a championship, you can lose balance.

He was thinking too hard about which foot to push off with.

funny thing watching the race live on espn 360 when they replayed the false start dwight stone and the other guy thought it was rupp who did it.

I felt it a bit unfair for John Kosgei. In the sprints, each competitor has his/her own lane so there is no incidental contact. Also the bigger meets have electronic equipment that tell the starter who moved. Kind of like at Worlds in '03 when both Jon Drummond and Asafa Powell got false start DQ's. The science of there reaction times showed it was they who moved early. However last night for Kosgei he was the only one dq'ed. I think the rules could be adjusted when the competitors are crammed in like that and we have no backup system to find out who moved. In the sprints; when the technology is available to the starter, his/her primary means of control is the visual and secondary is the audio which is a sound that triggers the ear when a competitor reacts before the allotted time. The distance events aren't given that luxury. John Kosgei certainly moved too early, but I wonder if any one else reacted too quickly as well.

It was Rupp that jumped, but Nike/Alberto had it turned around

tinfoil hat wrote:

It was Rupp that jumped, but Nike/Alberto had it turned around

yea...Rupp actually killed JFK, but Nike/Alberto turned that around on Oswald.

It was "the people" at Nike that letsrunners always talks about.

Are these 'the people' that give Rupp all his unfair advantages, like free uniforms?

He uses $3K/year in nose strips alone, thanks to nike/alberto.

I heard through the grape vine that Mr. Rupp even gets free training shoes from Oregon/Nike!!! Goodness me.

They didn't give a false start to the entire field, first, before DQ'ing him?

nonstoprunner wrote:

They didn't give a false start to the entire field, first, before DQ'ing him?

That's an international rule that the NCAA does not follow.

Kosgei should have sat on the track and refused to leave. Elevate distance running to sprinting!

pogo wrote:

nonstoprunner wrote:

They didn't give a false start to the entire field, first, before DQ'ing him?

That's an international rule that the NCAA does not follow.

I saw a guy false start out of a 5000m once using the international rule.

He was too slow getting to the line, so the starter charged him with a false start. Then after he lined up, he leaned forward a bit too far and fell over the line before the gun. That was false start #2 and he was out.

Pretty weird stuff

It is a NCAA rule that I have always said needs to be changed to the International rule.

The rule should be that there are no DQ's for a false start in a race longer than 400m.

There is no advantage to be gained.

The starter should just re-start the race with everyone.

Even with the rule as it is, the starter can reset eveveryone.

Only a lunatic coach would appeal this. (and may Letsrun posters)

Side Note:

My high school coach once told one of our 3200m runners to false start his race so he could run the 4X400. If he scratched then he wouldn't have been eligible to run in any other event that meet.

So he jumps the gun but the starter let's him go again. What was he going to do? Try and false start again? So he ran the race (and PR'ed from the adrenaline of letting down the team).

So we put a shot putter on the 4X400 team.

trackcoach248 wrote:

It is a NCAA rule that I have always said needs to be changed to the International rule.

It's a rotten rule. There was some arm movement on the outside, which seemed to cause Galen to lean a bit and eventually Kosgei to step.

It easily could have been Galen or any other athlete. It's one of those things where the athlete that gets busted for it was unintentionally provoked by another athlete who almost does it themselves. Just charge the first one to the field, it's a no brainer.

I felt really bad for Kosgei, the one event you're in and you've had to wait most of the two day meet to get ready, adding to the anticipation he must have had. I thought I heard the crowd booeing (I'm assuming at the officials) when he had to walk off the track.

I'm hoping that he still has eligibility left.

Sum Ran Dum Guy wrote:

pogo wrote:

That's an international rule that the NCAA does not follow.

I saw a guy false start out of a 5000m once using the international rule.

He was too slow getting to the line, so the starter charged him with a false start. Then after he lined up, he leaned forward a bit too far and fell over the line before the gun. That was false start #2 and he was out.

Pretty weird stuff

Was this at the Alberta provincial champs 5 or 6 years ago? I remember a dq just like that there....

toro wrote:

The rule should be that there are no DQ's for a false start in a race longer than 400m.

There is no advantage to be gained.

The starter should just re-start the race with everyone.

I totally agree with that. I've seen high school kids DQ'd in events from the 800 to 3200 after they lean a little too far forward, lose their balance, and step across the line. It seems pretty ridiculous.

BTW, nice side note story.