AR Progression, Men's 5000m

~ This is all I know... pretty accurate from Prefontaine to Kennedy...

14:30.0, Ralph Hill (1932)

14:26.0, Bill Dellinger (1956)

14:25.5, Bill Dellinger (1956)

14:16.2, Bill Dellinger (1956)

13:30.4, Steve Prefontaine (1971)

13:29.6, Steve Prefontaine (1972)

13:22.8, Steve Prefontaine (1972)

13:22.4, Steve Prefontaine (1973)

13:21.87, Steve Prefontaine (1974)

13:19.40, Duncan McDonald (1976)

13:15.06, Marty Liquori (1977)

13:12.91, Matthew Centrowitz (1983)

13:11.93, Alberto Salazar (1983)

13:01.15, Sydney Maree (1985)

12:58.75, Bob Kennedy (1996)

12:58.21, Bob Kennedy (1996)

12:58.21 Robert Kennedy-2 14 Aug 1996 Zurich SUI

12:58.75 Robert Kennedy (IN) 08 Jul 1996 Stockholm SWE

13:01.15 Sydney Maree (PA) 27 Jul 1985 Oslo NOR

13:11.93 Alberto Salazar (OR) 06 Jul 1982 Stockholm SWE

13:12.91 Matt Centrowitz (MD) 05 Jun 1982 Eugene OR USA

13:15.06 Marty Liquori-2 04 Sep 1977 Dusseldorf GER

13:16.00 Marty Liquori (NY) 24 Aug 1977 Zurich SUI

13:19.40 Duncan Macdonald (HI) 10 Aug 1976 Stockholm SWE

13:21.87 Steve Prefontaine-5 26 Jun 1974 Helsinki FIN

13:22.4 Steve Prefontaine-4 27 Jun 1973 Helsinki FIN

13:22.8 Steve Prefontaine-3 09 Jul 1972 Eugene OR USA

13:29.6 Steve Prefontaine-2 29 Apr 1972 Eugene OR USA

13:30.4 Steve Prefontaine (OR) 03 Jul 1971 Berkeley CA USA

13:32.2 George Young (AZ) 15 May 1971 Bakersfield CA USA

13:33.8 Gerry Lindgren-2 25 May 1968 Modesto CA USA

13:38.0 Gerry Lindgren (HI) 04 Jun 1966 Los Angeles CA USA

13:38.0 Robert Schul 05 Jun 1964 Compton CA USA

13:45.0 Jim Beatty-2 24 Aug 1962 Turku FIN

13:49.6 Max Truex-5 02 Jun 1962 Compton CA/USA

13:51.7 Jim Beatty (CA) 03 Jun 1960 Compton CA/USA

14:03.6 Max Truex-4 06 May 1960 Sunnyvale CA/USA

14:04.2 Max Truex-3 31 May 1957 Compton CA/USA

14:14.5 Max Truex-2 11 May 1957 Fresno CA/USA

14:16.2 Bill Dellinger-3 01 Nov 1956 Los Angeles CA/USA

14:22.8 Max Truex (CA) 20 Oct 1956 Ontario CA/USA

14:25.5 Bill Dellinger-2 13 Oct 1956 Berkeley CA/USA

14:26.0 Bill Dellinger (OR) 29 Jun 1956 Los Angeles CA/USA

14:26.8 Fred Wilt (NY) 29 Jun 1950 Helsinki FIN

14:30 Ralph Hill (CA) 05 Aug 1932 Los Angeles CA/USA

14:45 Charles Hunter 26 Jun 1920 Pasadena CA/USA

15:06.4 Louis Scott (NJ) 26 May 1912 Celtic Park NY/USA

Do any oldtimers know where in Sunnyvale, CA a record run would have been made? Fremont High School? Can't imagine there were many tracks around at that time. Seems strange to me.

malmo wrote:

http://www.arrs.net/RecProg/RP_USAT.htm

14:03.6 Max Truex-4 06 May 1960 Sunnyvale CA/USA

Why do people make such a big deal about Pre if he never broke 13:20 and never won an Olympic medal?

Because he broke the AR in the 5000m five times and held every American record from 2000m-10,000m and did not reach his potential.

The appreciation of Pre is that there was a great chance of a medal in Montreal in 1976 and faster times, perhaps in the 13:15-range by '76 and perhaps a 27:20-something for 10,000m, as he moved up in distance, not to mention what else he would run over 3000m.

Give the man his due. One of our best ever.

Great, thanks guys.

all i can say that is bill dellinger is way underated.

Who the hell is Duncan McDonald?!

Coma boy... wrote:

Who the hell is Duncan McDonald?!

If you ran track back then, you would know. If you're from the MySpace generation, you wouldn't.

Im not a huge Pre fan, but for you to ask that question shows you're clueless.

Just looking at malmos list shows you he was the real deal. consistent improvement and the best US runner for at least 4 yrs.

He does deserve that credit.

Does anyone have the progression in the American Record for men's 5000m for THIS MILLENIUM?

Self Loather wrote:

Does anyone have the progression in the American Record for men's 5000m for THIS MILLENIUM?

Yes, here it is:

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Macdonald!

His dad was a Vulcanologist. Duncan was born on the Big Island. He turns 60 in a couple of weeks.

HI state record holder in the mile (4:11?) Kailua H.S.

He was teammates with Don Kardong at Stanford in the late 60's.

Sub 4 minute miler

'76 Olympian

3-Time winner of the Honolulu Marathon

http://honolulumarathon.org/?s=halloffame

Ran a 2:13 marathon at Boston in 1983

Medical doctor and anesthesiologist at Queens Hospital

Coaches at Punahou H.S.

Father to Eri & Pippa (two former PAC-10 D1 runners)

Lives in Lanikai...

Oh, yeah and American Record Holder at 5km after Pre died.

Maybe Orville would know or some other historian...

I know we had to deal with the depression in the 1930's and WWII in the 40's, but what happened between 1932 and 1950?

Didn't we compete in Berlin in '36 and London in '48?

And it took until 1950 for Fred Wilt to break the record?

14:26.8 Fred Wilt (NY) 29 Jun 1950 Helsinki FIN

14:30 Ralph Hill (CA) 05 Aug 1932 Los Angeles CA/USA

Who's going to beat Bob's (coming up on 13 years) record?

without limits wrote:

Didn't we compete in Berlin in '36 and London in '48?

And it took until 1950 for Fred Wilt to break the record?

14:26.8 Fred Wilt (NY) 29 Jun 1950 Helsinki FIN

14:30 Ralph Hill (CA) 05 Aug 1932 Los Angeles CA/USA

Which reminds me, by a natural and easy transition, that Fred Wilt is definitely on the list of finalists for "Runners who got the most out of their abilities."

Fred gave back so much to the sport. When he stopped editing "Track Technique" magazine, I just dropped him a post card, thanking him for all his years of helping to elevate American coaches' knowledge of The Sport. Man, he sent me back a letter and everything, and I realized how little positive feedback he must have gotten for all that labor.

I hadn't remembered that it was he who finally broke Hill's record. My thanks to y'all for the reminder.

And PLEASE will somebody break Kennedy's record before 2014?

US runners did compete in the 1936 and 1948 Olympics but they did not break any 5K records. Don Lash was 13th in the 5K in 1936. I have no time for him. He ran 15:04.4 in his heat. Lash was also 8th in the 10K in 31:39.4 in Berlin. Lash won 7 AAU cross country championships plus a 5K AAU and two 10K US titles. In 1936 he broke Paavo Nurmi's 2 mile world record running 8:58.4.

Curtis Stone ran in the 1948 Olympic 5K placing 6th in 14:39.4. He also ran in the 1952 and 1956 Olympics. Stone won gold medals in the 10K and steeplechase in the 1951 Pan Am Games and placed 4th in the 1,500. He won 13 AAU Championships.

Thanks for the MacDonald information. I started competing in '77, but I don't remember ever hearing of him.

puka shell tour guide wrote:

Macdonald!

His dad was a Vulcanologist. Duncan was born on the Big Island. He turns 60 in a couple of weeks.

HI state record holder in the mile (4:11?) Kailua H.S.

He was teammates with Don Kardong at Stanford in the late 60's.

Sub 4 minute miler

'76 Olympian

3-Time winner of the Honolulu Marathon

http://honolulumarathon.org/?s=halloffame

Ran a 2:13 marathon at Boston in 1983

Medical doctor and anesthesiologist at Queens Hospital

Coaches at Punahou H.S.

Father to Eri & Pippa (two former PAC-10 D1 runners)

Lives in Lanikai...

Oh, yeah and American Record Holder at 5km after Pre died.

Gotta love a story like this. Here's a guy, a sub-4:00 miler, Olympian, and 5k runner ahead of his time) who didn't let running define him and consume him and who moved on with his life, giving back to humanity. I can think of so many guys in their late 20s/early 30s that would have done well to take a page from this playbook.

Part of the reason for the big gap may be that the US predominantly ran the 3 mile during that time. So someone would have to dig out the US 3 mile record progression. Anyone?

without limits wrote:

Maybe Orville would know or some other historian...

I know we had to deal with the depression in the 1930's and WWII in the 40's, but what happened between 1932 and 1950?

Didn't we compete in Berlin in '36 and London in '48?

And it took until 1950 for Fred Wilt to break the record?

14:26.8 Fred Wilt (NY) 29 Jun 1950 Helsinki FIN

14:30 Ralph Hill (CA) 05 Aug 1932 Los Angeles CA/USA

Who's going to beat Bob's (coming up on 13 years) record?