he ran like a 14:3x on the track. Also, why did Dunbar only run 15:2x? The times seem real slow compared to last year
he ran like a 14:3x on the track. Also, why did Dunbar only run 15:2x? The times seem real slow compared to last year
They were very slow this year, and I can't fathom why. The course looked like ti was in great shape, the weather wasn't gross or anything. If you had told me this morning that the winning time was going to be 15:15, I would have guessed that 4 or 5 guys would have been in contention at the end.
Eh, it's kind of like the year Kenny Cormier won agains Bumby. He ran like 15:24. Usually the winning time is around 15:00. You can't argue the talent wasn't there because Bumby had run 8:49 the spring before and 14:32 at FLS.
As is often the case in xc, places are more important than times.
If you were there you would have realized how windy it was.
XCMiler wrote:
he ran like a 14:3x on the track. Also, why did Dunbar only run 15:2x? The times seem real slow compared to last year
I don't think it can be emphasized more than it has already that Cross Country times mean nothing at all. These kids are here to compete against EACH OTHER and not necessarily the clock.
He didn't want to draw attention to his age...
Hodge wrote:
XCMiler wrote:he ran like a 14:3x on the track. Also, why did Dunbar only run 15:2x? The times seem real slow compared to last year
I don't think it can be emphasized more than it has already that Cross Country times mean nothing at all. These kids are here to compete against EACH OTHER and not necessarily the clock.
To XCMiler: Generally tracks are much faster than xc courses, especially ones with a long hill that you have to run twice.
To Hodge: I don't know how people can say time means nothing in xc or in any race for that matter. In fact in xc times can mean even more than in track. The general strategy in xc even in championship meets is usually to run as fast as one can from the gun, which means you never have these "tactical" races such as last years big 12 mile, where the times are excruciatingly slow. Time is very meaningful. If the time is slow theres a reason for it. There's some factor present that slows the time and keeps the individual from running as fast as he could given optimal conditions, whatever they may be.
Who do you think had a more impressive footlocker, Solinsky or Haile? Solinsky ran 30 seconds faster, which could mean several things, either Solinsky is better than Haile, or there was some substantial issue that kept Haile from running as fast as possible. I would think Solinsky's drastically faster time and much larger winning margin make him better.
cmurph is a rtard
cross races can be tactical
The competition did not run their own race. The other favorites clearly keyed off of Haile, and ran as fast as he was going early own. I think Haile may have been beaten today, if the other runners pushed the pace and ran up to their potential.
Not really wrote:
cmurph is a rtard
explain your position then
What I was just trying to get is that saying that time is meaningless is like saying that all when judged exclusively on xc results, all national championship performances are equivalent. This is far from the truth.
You mean slow compared to all of the other 20+ year old ethiopian athletes?
erberberbe wrote:
cross races can be tactical
Yeah sometimes the optimal strategy for running fast is not employed. It looks like this happened today. This is one of the factors that slows a winning time. When youre judging a footlocker class, you have to look beyond the times they ran at footlocker for this reason among others. Last years class, for example. It was clearly an exceptional class, and the times at footlocker reflect this, but if they had run a tactical race at footlocker and the winning time had been similar to today's, we still would be able to recognize that that class was an incredible one by looking at their times on other courses. For example Derrick's 13:50, German's 14:24, Puskedra's 14:45 at altitude, etc. How could we tell that Ritz was as good as he was before his 3rd at world xc? His dominating wins and blazing times. So this all just goes to show that time is far from meaningless
That course in SD is no cakewalk...that one hill is killer.
There was no bonus money being offered for a faster time, so he just went for the win.