Elite Marathon Training

Talent - is also a factor.

simplicity wrote:

Talent - is also a factor.

Note I said assuming I have the ability (i.e. talent) and dedication.

How incorporate the WO ? Do you would share one week detail day by day ?

Thanks

80 miles on 13 runs? Why so many doubles?

I think whether or not you become an elite marathoner based on that training is up to your ability to stay injury free, and of course your "talent" - and by that I mean your potential fitness level.

No doubt though that type of training would make you a significantly better marathoner than what you were when you first started. Whether or not that takes you (or anyone) else to the Elite level is dependent on a variety of other factors, some of which are out of your control.

... As for the training plan itself, looks pretty good. You could probably tweak it a little more by reading other marathon training plans. But at its core, you seem to have the essentials: high mileage, long run, marathon pace runs, and some faster speed work. Sounds solid.

your retarded

it not the training it weather you can survive

lots of people get slower with hard training

any set of random workout will make Haile G fast

and me tired and slower

Another Answer wrote:

80 miles on 13 runs? Why so many doubles?

That does seem like a bit much. Maybe starting the program that's what you would want, but I would think after hitting 80 miles a few times, it would be reasonable to assume that you could hit 80 rather easily only running 10 times a week. During this past cross season I made it my goal to run ten times a week, and I always went over 80. As long as you have a decent long run and two good medium distance runs, it's not too hard to achieve.

fgfg wrote:

your retarded

it not the training it weather you can survive

lots of people get slower with hard training

any set of random workout will make Haile G fast

and me tired and slower

me pot, you kettle

it seems like more longer runs would be good.

Some thoughts: 80 mpw should be on 10 runs, not 12 or 13. Also, try running to the track, doing 8-10 repeat miles at 10k pace with short recovery(around 200m) and then jog home. This workout will make you very strong and bring your pace threshold up.

pittman wrote:

Some thoughts: 80 mpw should be on 10 runs, not 12 or 13. Also, try running to the track, doing 8-10 repeat miles at 10k pace with short recovery(around 200m) and then jog home. This workout will make you very strong and bring your pace threshold up.

10 runs even sounds like too much to me. I would think 7 or 8 would be fine for 80 miles. If he has a 16 mile run in there and a tempo of 6 miles (10 miles with warmup and cooldown) and a 4 x Mile (9 miles with warmup and cooldown). So take out those three hard days and he is left with 45 miles to get done in 4 days. For a novice that sounds like maybe 5 runs. So that leaves him with 8 runs.

1) You need a bit of speed work in there. Not a ton but without some strides, short hills, 400/200s, at sub 1500m pace you missing out on a valuable stimulus.

2) You need to mix up the training so your body doesn't get really good at your training routine. Tempo runs at MP pace are great when getting ready for a marathon but mixing them up with 30 min at hm pace or 3x2mile at 10k pace gives more variety and helps stress your system in different ways.

But yeah in general, workout up to 120-140 mpw, doing a bit of speed work, and race is a fine basic training program. Obviously not breaking down is the hard part.

Please typical week ? Details

Exactly what "OR" says above.

Mix it up- race some 10ks. Forget the weekly cycle, go on a 9 or 12 day cycle sometimes.

Change up your long runs...sometimes go 24 sometimes only go 18...start of slow and work down to marathon pace...or go steady all the way.

Do work at half marathon pace repeat 5ks....do repeat 1000s or miles to work on your V02max, and don't forget some strides, alactic hill sprints, drills etc.

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Sorry, I want to know if some body would help me to detail day by day: Monday this WO, Tue, this WO, etc, etc and sound me very interesting 9 cycle or 12 cycle schedule, Do you would show me at schedule in 9 days cycle ?

Thanks

Please define what you mean by "elite level" in terms of time.

There is little doubt that adhering to the training you suggest for such a long period would get you to a

fast marathon time,subject to your genetics and non-injury.Seems a little boring as a schedule to me.

However, most elite marathoners,defined say as sub 2.10, do not generally train the way you suggest.

They usually develop their maximum aerobic potential and shorter distance race speed potential and then do a specific marathon schedule for 10-12 weeks.Have a look at their techniques,all on the net.

I think you mean "you're retarded".

sdfkj wrote:

I think you mean "you're retarded".

Thanks for correcting this typographical error six months after it was posted.

If that's your view of Elite Marathon Training...

you should get your eyes checked.

13 runs a week?

You are training for a marathon, right?

If you are telling us this is your long-range (2-3 years) plan, why are you doing weekly mile repeats?

I have runners that are doing 90-100mpw with just six runs, resting on Sunday.

Time to get a coach that knows what they are doing and keep your plan a secret, because if you tell people about it you will only embarrass yourself.