Alan Webb: Should he follow Mottram's idea to go solo?

there are some key differences.

Mottram was very good before Bideau got a hold of him, therefore knows he can be successful without him. Webb has never run well out from under Razcko.

I think you will find the reason for Mottram leaving Bideau was money, and managment arrangments. Bideau will have given Mottram an ultimatimum of either everything with him or nothing. So when Mottram said he wanted to base himself in ausse a bit more, and not do some key races etc this would'nt have gone smoothly with Bideau and his sponsors interests..

Webb I think would be freer to make these calls.

Webb is not an experienced runner. Most HS guys know more about racing than Webb. Webb only knows how to run fast in a race where he has been set up to win. Webb doesn't know jack - he is a college dropout who has repeatedly proven that he does not have what it takes when it counts.

your cousin Marvin Berry wrote:

Thus, the question remains: Should Webb follow in Mottram's steps and go solo?

Absolutely not. Webb has shown himself to be insecure and a bit of a headcase, in both his training and his racing.

He could use a new coach (I understand Bideau has an opening, lol) who can maybe shake his training up a little. But flying solo would be a mistake.

You all will think this is a joke but its not.

Alan Webb needs whatever gave Galen Rupp the level-headedness he showed at NCAA XC on Monday. I'm not sure if it was Lanana or Salazar of even Rupp himself, but there was some extraordinary maturity out there. It appears that Rupp's mental preparation was sound, and as a result his tactics were too.

Webb has the talent, the drive, the PRs. He needs to master the psychological side of competition.

howd you know it was me?

Webb cant even decide if he likes hair on his legs.. Do you really think he knows what the best coaching fit is for him?

the big revelation wrote:

...Most HS guys know more about racing than Webb. Webb only knows how to run fast in a race where he has been set up to win...

"The Nike (USATF Champs) men's 1,500m was a tactical affair...800 meters in just 2:04.1... With 275 meters to go, the pack quickened its pace as one, with Webb on the rail. The American 2-mile record holder successfully held off Chris Lukezic (WC semis that season) of Georgetown.. to win in 3:41.97. Lukezic was second in 3:42.06, and 2004 U.S. indoor champ Rob Myers (WC semis that season) was third in 3:42.27."

Webb should drop his coach, and Join Mottram and Mottram should Join Said Shaheen, who dropped his coach!

that would be a training group.

GOOOD GOD.

I think Daniels should coach them all.

what is your point? Lukezic was a 3:35 1500m runner at the time and Webb owned him by several seconds - Lukezic was also his training partner and knew that he could take him. again, most hs guys know more about racing than web. put webb in a big meet with 10 equally fit guys and he will end up in the bottom 5.

ttc wrote:

the big revelation wrote:

...Most HS guys know more about racing than Webb. Webb only knows how to run fast in a race where he has been set up to win...

"The Nike (USATF Champs) men's 1,500m was a tactical affair...800 meters in just 2:04.1... With 275 meters to go, the pack quickened its pace as one, with Webb on the rail. The American 2-mile record holder successfully held off Chris Lukezic (WC semis that season) of Georgetown.. to win in 3:41.97. Lukezic was second in 3:42.06, and 2004 U.S. indoor champ Rob Myers (WC semis that season) was third in 3:42.27."

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/3_1/usatf-championships-day-t-2.shtml

the big revelation wrote:

what is your point? Lukezic was a 3:35 1500m runner at the time and Webb owned him by several seconds - Lukezic was also his training partner and knew that he could take him. again, most hs guys know more about racing than web. put webb in a big meet with 10 equally fit guys and he will end up in the bottom 5.

well, it's not like all 10 could get 1st. 5 of them HAVE to be in the bottom five. Good point, bad example. And besides, to me, when you have a big finish like that of equally fit guys and then difference between 1st and 10th is about 1 second, I think everyone ran a fine race. No one got "beat".

west coast wrote:

You all will think this is a joke but its not.

Alan Webb needs whatever gave Galen Rupp the level-headedness he showed at NCAA XC on Monday. I'm not sure if it was Lanana or Salazar of even Rupp himself, but there was some extraordinary maturity out there. It appears that Rupp's mental preparation was sound, and as a result his tactics were too.

Webb has the talent, the drive, the PRs. He needs to master the psychological side of competition.

i feel the same way you do about rupp's ncaa victory. he ran an elegant race.

webb really needs to shore up his program. where ever he lacks i really can't tell. he can race well but something obviously keeps him from racing with confidence. his training, coach, girlfriend, friends, environment? something shakes his foundation so the house crumbles.

Webb needs to go train with Rupp and the Nike elite under Coach Alberto Salazar. He is now too old for the mile and needs to move up to 5k. The fact that he's training under a high school coach is laughable.

ALAN IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ALL WANNA SEE YOU GO BEAST MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am also of the opinion that he should go bald. This will decrease wind resistance and help him bring his mile time down. I lowered my PR by 2 seconds after shaving my head.

I say who cares about him

new faces are going to emerge!!!!

Webb should join Salazar. I agree 100% with that.

Webb should join salazar is right ! However, to join salazar you must be 100% committed, where I do not believe Webb is - living with his beer drinking, pizza eating buddies is not the level of commitment you would expect from a World Class talent, and is actually hard to believe. Mr 430miler has a short window of time to get his ducks in order or career goes down the toilet - Webb needs to wake up, put his ADD aside and focus ! A mental decision is needed here !

Huh? Why would Webb join Salazar? Salazar doesn't coach middle distance runners. If he showed up at the Nike Project he wouldn't be doing the same workouts as Rupp, Goucher, Tegenkamp, and Solinsky. He needs a group of guys that are doing the same stuff. Thus, OTC Elite is the answer; they're focus is middle distance.

whoever said he's too old for the mile is just dumb. he should just start hitting his prime for the mile now. i do however think he should move to a place that is great for running rather than chillin' in reston just cuz thats familiar.

ALAN WEBB

Event: Middle Distance

Height: 5-9

Weight: 145

PRs: 800m - 1:43.84 (2007); 1,500m - 3:30.54 (2007); mile - 3:46.91AR (2007); 3,000m – 7:39.28 (2005); 2 mile – 8:23.97 (2007); 5,000m - 13:46.31 (2004); 10,000m - 27:34.72 (2006)

Born: Jan. 13, 1983, in Ann Arbor, Mich.

Don't forget... webb is one of, if not THE greatest American Distance runners EVER!!! and don't give me any of that prefontaine crap!(that is a high schooler's illusion). PLUS.. He's only 25 he has 4 to 6 seasons left, maybe more.. he could still run a world record. yeah new faces will emerge but lets not be too hasty to abandon the one who could bring a world record and olympic gold to the U.S. ...