US vs British Distance (lets be nice)

Mile Fan wrote:

Normally the US would trounce Britain in a track meet. However, what if the two nations squared off in a track meet featuring only distance events. Things then would be more evenly matched. However, I believe runners like Krummenacker, Meb, and Culpepper would tilt things in America's favor. During the 80's of course the British would win. However, today America would probably win among these two faded distance powers.

When was the US a 'distance power'?

Without a doubt..1964...

Gold/Bronze in the Olympic 5k...

Gold in the Olympic 10K

After that..we were certainly stronger than today..with Ryun..early 70's.. Shorter in the Marathon/10k....Pre...at 5k/10k...Liquori was ranked #1 at 5k during 70's

After that it gets a bit spotty.....Marsh's dominance in the Steeple..Rodgers in the Marathon...Bickford #1 at 10K (once) during 80's..

This is an impossible debate since stat's could be argued very effectively either way. In order to be evaluated realistically we have to compare the best from both countries. However, I certainly don't think it is a given that the US would win. For example in the 1500m we had Krummenaker at 3.31 in the 1500m but the British had Whiteman in 3.32, Mayock in 3.34, and Graffin in 3.35 (3 British athletes before the second American). In 2003 the ranking's list in 3.35- Krum, Brits Whiteman and East right behind in 3.35. We could look at PR's Mayock(GBR) 3:31.86, Krummenaker(US)3:31.91, Whiteman(GBR) 3:32.34.

Also in 2002 the British had 3 runners' running between 13.19-20 over 5k (mayock, Haughian, Keska) while the fastest US was 13.21 (Meb). In 2003 this was reversed with the US running quickest with Kennedy in 13.20.

However, these are probably not the best statistics to compare when trying to decide a head to head meeting. Possibly looking at the results of past major Championships where the guys have gone head to head on a day when it counts the MOST. Looking at the last World Championships and last Olympics in the 10k the top finisher between the two countries was British with Keska 8th in Olympic and 9th in World Champs. However, this does not give the complete picture since the US had 3 athletes in these finals while the British had just one. Meb has run 27.13, while the Brits have Jon Brown 27.18 who was 4th in the last Olympic marathon and is also a very good 10k type.

No British or Americans made the last World Champs 1500m final. Torres (US) scraped into the 5000m final finishing 15th while no other Brits made the final.

In the last Olympic marathon British finished 4th/19th/56th (Brown, Cullen, steinle) while the top US was Dehaven in 69th.

Based off of objective evidence it would be tough to decide.

In distance running both the Americans and British had a pretty sorry showing. However, as you mentioned the US did have Torres making the finals in the 5000 while no British were present. Also there were 3 Americans in the 10,000 final while there was only one Englishman.

The 800meters would pretty much belong to the Americans. However, the 1500 would be difficult to predict. Whiteman was ranked 25th in the world while Lunn was ranked 29th. However, Lunn was ranked second in the world in the Indoor mile while setting a pretty brisk PR of 3:54. Both Robison and Whitman have recently run 3:35 1500s and the two would be in a pretty fierce dog fight. It would probably come down to the top two active 1500meters runners from both countries. That of course would be Whiteman & East vs Lunn & Berryhill in a faceoff. However, Robison and Krummenacker could tip the race in the US favor. No one in the last five years from either side of the Atlantic has run faster than Krummenacker in either the 800 or 1500 meters. Krummenackers 2001 1500 PR of 3:31 is equivalent to a 3:49 mile. As the London Times said Krummenacker unlike other US distance runners is the hunter not the hunted.

There was a meet this summer between the US, Russia, and England. The US won the meet. I remember reading that Lunn got second place in the 1500meters. I don't know if Lunn lost to a Russian or an Englishman.

Was there a semi-final for the 10,000? I don't recall.

I reckon it would be a close call, we're both struggling right now in the distance events... In the past i reckon you uk guys would have won out right tho.

oldrunningguy wrote:

Without a doubt..1964...

Gold/Bronze in the Olympic 5k...

Gold in the Olympic 10K

OK one week in 1964, sounds about right!

In 1964, you also had Tommy Farrell third in the 800.

No

the USA beat the brits in a war just over 200 years ago. do you brits want to go again? the USA rules way over the british for sure!

"After that..we were certainly stronger than today..with Ryun..early 70's.. Shorter in the Marathon/10k....Pre...at 5k/10k...Liquori was ranked #1 at 5k during 70's

After that it gets a bit spotty.....Marsh's dominance in the Steeple..Rodgers in the Marathon...Bickford #1 at 10K (once) during 80's.."

Dominant only on their domestic front! Marsh did not achieve the times or medals that Britain's best steepler did in Marsh's era read - (Olympic Bronze and a 8:07)...

Rodgers Vs the Brit Marathon men? Don't think so! Steve Jones would belch past on that one for the Eighties... Seventies? Ron Hill - European Gold, Commonwealth Gold, and the first Sub 2:10 on a certified course (Antwerp was not certified at the date of running for the WR of Clayton).

Pre? Again a luminary on the domestic front, but in reality a domestic runner - honestly the guy was unheard of in Europe.

Bickford Vs McLeod? I'll take an Olympic Silver anyday. Liquori - Give me Ian Stewart or Brendan Foster, or Dave Moorcroft...

A no-contest.

You forgot to mention that Henry Marsh fell at the last barrier in the 83 World Champs, thus allowing Colin Reitz to sneak past and grab bronze. Tee Hee!

The British used to be the worlds best distance runners. What the heck happened.

US distance runners were never the best but they were competitive in some key distance events.

In the 1960's we had the graetest depth in distance running in the world, read Buddy Edelen's book and you will see what i mean, he came to the UK to improve because US distance running was embarassingly bad in the marathon. People like Ron Hill, Jim alder, Basil Heatley, Mike Freary, Mike Turner, Gerry North and countless others were great distance runners, all of them bar none worked full time, this tradition continued into the seventies with Dave Bedford, Brendan foster, Nick Rose, Bernie Ford, Dave Black, Ian Stewart, Ian Thompson, Tony Simmons, Mike McLeod, by th early 80's we still had great distance runners, Steve Jones, Charlie Spedding, Tim Hutchings, Dave Lewis, Paul Davies Hale, Jon Solly, Steve Binns, Jack Buckner but interestingly despite all this talent we did not win that many major medals, Steve Jones for example won only a bronze at the Commonwealth games in his entire career in major games. By 1988 we were starting to deteriorate, we still had Eamon Martin, Jack Buckner, Gary Staines, Hugh Jones, Charlie Spedding but they were not really challenging for Gold Medals. By 1992 things were strating to get quite bad ona world level but we still had great depth with lots of guys running great times. By 1996 it was getting worse and by 2000 the improvement in world levels was starting to put qualifying times out of reach of British distance runners. We are now ina situation where the depth is poor and we have one or two second tier world class guys, John Brown, Karl keska, Mark Steinle, but generally we are poor.

there are many reasons for this. Lack of support in the distance evnts by our federation, competition from other sports to take the talented youngsters away from our sport. a change in the working and social enviroment in the UK. Jobs are mre pressured, people work longer hours and travel further to work. this makes it increasingly difficult to train at the level required. the qualifying times become more difficult each year whilst our standards deteriorate. A big problem in the Uk is lack of good quality competition, if you area 13.45 5k runner in the UK you will get maybe 3 races per season within which to improve, the national champs which are generally slow and two BMC races which are paced, maybe at 13.35 pace. How on earth are people supposed to improve. The number of peoepl running is going up but the standard is geting worse. western lifestyles are no longer a good enviroment for distance runners.

The regular British posters seem somewhat mute on this point- where are you Bazza,Martin et al. This may well reflect the fact that the USA are stronger. Anyway, here are the facts:

800m:

GB:

1:45.30

James McIlroy

15 Aug 2003

Zurich, SUI

1:45.81 A

Neil Speaight

8 April 2003

Potchefstroom, RSA

1:46.06

Ricky Soos

8 Aug 2003

London (CP)

1:46.21

Anthony Whiteman

03 Aug 2003

Lappeenranta, FIN

1:46.65

Mike East

30 Jun 2003

Glasgow (S)

1:46.92

Chris Moss

8 Aug 2003

Budapest, HUN

1:47.57

Matt Shone

8 Aug 2003

Budapest, HUN

1:48.08

Joel Kidger

5 Jul 2003

Watford

1:48.30

Andrew Brown

15 Aug 2003

Nivelles, BEL

1:48.3

Chris Reynolds

13 Aug 2003

Brighton

USA

1:44.30 David Krummenacker (adi)..........Paris GP..07/04

1:45.03 Khadevis Robinson (Nik)...........Lucerne..06/25

1:45.46 Bryan Woodward (NFT)..........Budapest..08/08

1:45.69 Derrick Peterson (adi).........Brunswick..07/05

1:46.17 -Sam Burley (Penn)........Heusden GP..08/02

1:46.45 Jess Strutzel (Nik)............Pan-Am..08/06

1:46.51 **Jonathan Johnson (TxT)..............NCAA..06/14

1:46.56 **Marc Sylvester (Tn)...............SEC..05/18

1:46.72 Jebreh Harris (HolyF)...........Cottbus..06/04

1:46.78 Floyd Thompson (SMTC).............USATF..06/22

1500

GB:

3:35.49

Anthony Whiteman

4 Jul 2003

Paris, FRA

3:35.49

Mike East

19 Jul 2003

Madrid, ESP

3:37.59

John Mayock

7 Jun 2003

Seville, ESP

3:38.18

Tom Mayo

29 Jun 2003

Prague, CZE

3:39.72

Andy Graffin

14 Jun 2003

Eton

3:40.44

Chris Mulvaney

14 Jun 2003

Sacramento, USA

3:41.49

Neil Speaight

31 May 2003

Manchester

3:42.00

James McIlroy

30 Aug 2003

Glasgow (S)

3:42.13

James Thie

8 Jun 2003

Burnaby CAN

3:42.26

Matt Shone

5 Jul 2003

Watford

USA

3:35.15 David Krummenacker (adi)......Gateshead GP..07/13

3:35.75 *Grant Robison (Stan)........Heusden GP..08/02

3:36.68 Bryan Berryhill (adi).........Zagreb GP..07/07

3:36.99 Jason Lunn (Nik).........Zagreb GP..07/07

3:39.74 Charlie Gruber (Nik).......Portland GP..05/17

3:39.94 Jesse Strutzel (Nik)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

3:40.16 Seneca Lassiter (Nik).......Portland GP..05/17

3:41.11 -Joel Atwater (Web)..............NCAA..06/14

3:41.41 Michael Stember (Nik)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

3:41.49 Dan Wilson (Asics)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

5K:

GB

13:31.64

Andrew Graffin

5 Jul 2003

Cork, IRL

13:31.79

John Mayock

8 Aug 2003

London (CP)

13:34.93

Chris Thompson

14 Jun 2003

Eton

13:38.41

Mohamed Farah

8 Aug 2003

London (CP)

13:41.61

Chris Davies

14 Jun 2003

Eton

13:41.99

Spencer Barden

5 Jul 2003

Cork, IRL

13:45.01

Mark Miles

14 Jun 2003

Eton

13:45.24

Karl Keska

26 April 2003

Eugene, USA

13:56.51

Peter Riley

30 May 2003

Fairfax, USA

14:02.57

Sam Haughian

27 Jul 2003

Birmingham

USA

13:20.50 Meb Keflezighi (NiK).......Stockholm GP..08/05

13:21.85 Bob Kennedy (Nik).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:23.25 Abdi Abdirahman (Nik).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:24.17 -Jorge Torres (Co).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:31.80 *Louis Luchini (Stan)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:35.23 Tim Broe (adi)..............USATF..06/20

13:35.67 Adam Goucher (Nik)..............USATF..06/20

13:36.89 Chad Johnson (Nik)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:37.08 Jonathon Riley (Nik)..............USATF..06/20

13:37.31 -Daniel Lincoln (Ar).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

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10K:

GB

27:47.89

Karl Keska

24 Aug 2003

Saint-Denis, FRA

28:38.67

Peter Riley

12 Jun 2003

Sacramento, USA

28:57.17

Andrew Caine

5 Jul 2003

Watford

28:59.57

Ian Hudspith

5 Jul 2003

Watford

29:10.38

Glen Stewart

5 Jul 2003

Watford

29:22.59

Andy Coleman

5 Jul 2003

Watford

29:23.13

Matt Smith

5 Jul 2003

Watford

29:23.65

Dave Mitchinson

5 Jul 2003

Watford

29:27.49

Adam Sutton

18 Jul 2003

Bydgoszcz, POL

29:27.94

Chris Birchall

24 April 2003

Philadelphia PA, USA

USA

2003 U.S. MEN'S LIST

Compiled by Dan Lilot

(marks received and verified by 9/30/03)

100 METERS

9.94 Maurice Greene (adi)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

9.97 John Capel (adi).........Zürich GP..08/15

Justin Gatlin (Nik).........Zürich GP..08/15

9.99 Mickey Grimes (Nik).........Zürich GP..08/15

10.00 Darvis Patton (adi).........Zürich GP..08/15

10.04(A) Tim Montgomery (Nik).......Mexico City..05/03

Bernard Williams (Nik)..........GP Final..09/13

10.05 J.J. Johnson (Nik)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

10.07 ***DaBryan Blanton (Ok)...........NCAA MW..05/30

Marcus Brunson (adi)..Ft.-de-France GP..04/26

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(A) Shawn Crawford (Miz)..........Pretoria..04/04

(A) Jon Drummond (Nik).......Mexico City..05/03

(A) Coby Miller (Nik).......Mexico City..05/03

10.09 Rae Edwards (Nik).............USATF..06/19

10.11 Kenny Brokenburr (Nik).............Abuja..05/17

10.13 *Marquis Davis (MsSt)...............SEC..05/18

10.14 Kaaron Conwright (Nik).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/19

10.15 Brian Lewis (NBal).............USATF..06/19

10.17 Aaron Armstrong (Nik).............Nuoro..07/09

10.18 -Samie Parker (Or)............Pac-10..05/17

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10.19 -Bennie Chatman (WaSt)............Pac-10..05/17

10.21 Jerome Avery (HP).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

Ramon Clay (adi)...........St-Anne..05/08

10.22 *Jabari Fields (TCU)...........NCAA MW..05/30

*Mardy Scales (MTn)............Pan-Am..08/06

*Ernest Wiggins (App)...........Clemson..05/10

10.23 -Olan Coleman (Tarl)...........NCAA II..05/24

10.24 *Anthony Buchanan (WaSt)............Pac-10..05/17

Dwight Phillips (Nik).........Modesto R..05/10

-Christopher Stewart (SHous)........Southland..05/19

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10.25 *Mardy Scales (MTn)..............NCAA..06/14

10.26(A) -Mike Appelhans (FtH)...........Alamosa..05/03

Greg Saddler (Nik).........Modesto R..05/10

Bobby Williams (unat).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

10.27 **Guy McGowan (SJCC)..........Saratoga..04/26

10.29 Curtis Coleman (unat).........Florida R..03/28

**Airese Currie (Clem)............NCAA E..05/31

-Tre Gardner (Tx)............Big 12..05/19

Tim Harden (Nik).............USATF..06/19

**Carlos Moore (SAC)........Mt. SAC JC..04/11

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Earvin Parker (TxHS)..........Tx HS 5A..05/10

Foreign Collegians:

10.13 *Michael Frater (TCU-Jam)...........NCAA MW..05/30

10.16 -Pierre Browne (MsSt-Can)...............SEC..05/18

10.22 -Nic Alexander (ACU-Tri)............Tri Ch..06/20

*Christie Van Wyk (ACU-Nam)...........Abilene..03/22

10.23 ***Tyrone Edgar (KCKCC-GB).........London GP..08/08

10.24(A) -Taiwo Ajibade (UTEP-Ngr)..........UTEP Inv..04/12

**Marvin Anderson (CAz-Jam).........Sun Angel..04/12

10.25 ***Brendan Christian (Tx-Ant)..........Big 12..05/19

10.28 ***Marc Burns (Aub-Tri)..........World Ch..08/24

***Steven Mullings (Bart-Jam).......Tx R Coll..04/04

Wind-aided:

9.93 **Erick Wilson (Bart)..............JUCO..05/10

9.96 Coleman.........Lone Star..05/03

9.97 Brokenburr..........ACU Open..05/08

Patton...........TCU Inv..04/19

10.00 Mullings'..............JUCO..05/10

10.01 **Tyson Gay (Bart)..............JUCO..05/10

10.02 Scales...........NCAA ME..05/31

10.03 **Tyree Gailes (GardC)..............JUCO..05/10

10.04 Edgar'..............JUCO..05/10

10.06 Alexander'.........Lone Star..05/03

10.09 Browne'.........Tex R Inv..04/05

10.10 Buchanan............Pac-10..05/18

Davis.........Tx R Univ..04/05

Lewis........Euro Clubs..05/24

10.12 Chatman............Pac-10..05/18

10.15 -Jason Smoots (NCC)...........NCAA II..05/22

10.16 **Clement Campbell' (NYT-Jam).........NCAA II..05/22

Van Wyk'.........Lone Star..05/03

Ivory Williams (TxHS)..........Tx HS 4A..05/09

10.18 -Robert Foster (Hous)...........Houston..03/30

10.20 ***Nick Johnson (Tx).........Tx R Univ..04/05

**Andre Summers (CAz)..............JUCO..05/10

10.21 Harden.....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

Aulton Kohn (SCHS)..........Columbia..05/10

10.22 E.J. Jackson (unat)..........PA USATF..06/08

10.23 Desmond Bynum (unat).........Texas Inv..05/03

**Lerone Clarke' (Linc-Jam)...........NCAA II..05/22

Shomari Wilson (unat).........Arlington..03/29

10.24 Gentry Bradley (A&A).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

Burns'...........NCAA ME..05/31

Christian'...........NCAA MW..05/30

**Wes Felix (USC)..........UCLA-USC..04/26

*Sean Lambert' (Tn-Grn)...........NCAA ME..05/31

10.27 **Kevin Bartlett' (Linc-Bar)..........NCAA II..05/22

Gardner.........Tex R Inv..04/05

Bryan Howard (WVly)..........PA USATF..06/08

**Clement Taylor' (UTA-Bah)..........UTA Open..05/03

*Adam Wooten (SHous)...........NCAA MW..05/30

10.28 **Ahmad Carroll (Ar)...........NCAA ME..05/30

-Brian Johnson (Sn).........Tx R Univ..04/05

-Latonel Williams' (Al-Jam)......Drake R Univ..04/25

200 METERS

20.01 Bernard Williams (Nik)...........Rome GP..07/11

20.02 Shawn Crawford (Miz)...........Rome GP..07/11

20.03 Darvis Patton (adi)..........World Ch..08/28

20.04 Justin Gatlin (US).......Brussels GP..09/05

Coby Miller (Nik).......Lausanne GP..07/01

20.05 J.J. Johnson (Nik).............Abuja..05/17

20.16 Maurice Greene (adi).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/19

20.17 John Capel (adi).............USATF..06/22

20.25 Kenny Brokenburr (Nik).............USATF..06/22

20.27 Ramon Clay (adi).............USATF..06/22

(10)

20.32 Jimmie Hackley (unat)......Seminole Twi..05/10

20.37 *Leo Bookman (Ks)............Big 12..05/19

20.40 **Erick Wilson (Bart).....Overland Park..04/26

20.43 Bobby Williams (unat)............Dublin..08/15

20.48 Mickey Grimes (Nik).......Basse-Terre..04/30

**Jerome Mathis (Hamp)..............NCAA..06/14

20.50 *Marquis Davis (MsSt)...............SEC..05/18

20.51 **Stanford Routt (Hous)..............NCAA..06/12

***Ryan Shields (WayB)..........TxT Open..05/03

20.55 Marcus Brunson (adi).......Brussels GP..09/05

(20)

20.56 ***DaBryan Blanton (Ok)............Big 12..05/19

20.57 -Olan Coleman (Tarl)...........NCAA II..05/24

Allen Johnson (Nik)..Ft.-de-France GP..04/26

*Kendrick Triggs (Ms)......Ole Miss Inv..05/03

20.58(A) Rae Edwards (Nik)..........UTEP Inv..04/12

20.60 Aaron Armstrong (Nik)..Ft.-de-France GP..04/26

20.61 **Kyle Farmer (Fl)............NCAA E..05/31

***Kelly Willie (LSU)...........LSU Twi..05/03

20.63 Kaaron Conwright (Nik).......Basse-Terre..04/30

David Neville (InHS).........Pan-Am Jr..07/20

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20.65 **Airese Currie (Clem)............NCAA E..05/31

-Brian Johnson (Sn)..........Beaumont..03/29

-Chris Stewart (SHous).........Southland..05/18

20.66 Gentry Bradley (unat)...........Oxy Inv..05/10

20.68 Milton Campbell (adi)...........Atlanta..06/07

20.69 Xavier Carter (FlHS).......Gainesville..05/16

***Aaron Collins (Tx)...........NCAA MW..05/31

20.70 Earvin Parker (TxHS)..........Tx HS 5A..05/10

Rubin Williams (Her)..........PA USATF..06/08

20.73 Derrick Brew (Nik).......Baton Rouge..04/12

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Angelo Taylor (Nik)............Athens..05/03

Foreign Collegians:

20.29 ***Brendan Christian (Tx-Ant)..........Big 12..05/19

20.34 -Christopher Lambert (Harv-GB)....Euro U23 Ch..07/20

20.40 -Latonel Williams (Al-Jam)............Jam Ch..06/21

20.52 ***Steven Mullings (Bart-Jam)...McDonnell Inv..04/12

20.57 -Julieon Raeburn (TxT-Tri)............CAC Ch..07/06

20.65 **Clement Campbell (NYT-Jam)..........NCAA II..05/24

20.72 *Brian Dzingai (FlSt-Zim)............NCAA E..05/30

Wind-aided:

20.15 Davis...........TCU Inv..04/19

20.19 Wilson..............JUCO..05/10

20.28 Routt...........NCAA MW..05/30

20.31 **Tyson Gay (Bart)..............JUCO..05/10

20.40 Stewart...........NCAA MW..05/30

20.52 Alvin Harrison (Nik)............Sydney..02/15

20.53 Parker...........Lubbock..04/26

20.56 *Adam Wooten (SHous)...........NCAA MW..05/30

20.57 ***Tyrone Edgar' (KCKCC-GB)..............JUCO..05/10

**Tyree Gailes (GardC)..............JUCO..05/10

**Rodney Martin' (KCKCC-?)..............JUCO..05/10

20.59 -Pierre Browne' (MsSt)...........TCU Inv..04/19

*Jabari Fields (TCU)..............CUSA..05/17

**Danny Johnson (Bart)..............JUCO..05/10

20.62 Collins...........NCAA MW..05/30

20.63 -Mike Appelhans (FtH)...........Alamosa..05/03

-Carlos Moore (SAC)........Mt. SAC JC..04/11

20.64 Bryan Bronson (unat)..........TxAM Inv..04/12

*Greg Carter (Alc)..............SWAC..05/04

20.71 Kendrick Campbell (unat)...........TCU Inv..04/19

**Curtis Johnson (UTSA)...........NCAA MW..05/30

20.72 -Bruce Swan' (Wich-Grn)...........Lincoln..05/03

400 METERS

44.33 Tyree Washington (Nik).............USATF..06/21

44.50 Jerome Young (adi)..........World Ch..08/26

44.57 *Otis Harris (SC)..............NCAA..06/14

*Adam Steele (Mn)..............NCAA..06/14

44.58 *Mitch Potter (Mn)..............NCAA..06/14

44.62 Calvin Harrison (Nik).............USATF..06/21

44.83(A) Derrick Brew (Nik).......Mexico City..05/03

44.95 **Darold Williamson (Bay)...........NCAA MW..05/31

45.00(A) Corey Nelson (Nik).......Mexico City..05/03

45.08 Leonard Byrd (Nik).........Madrid GP..07/19

(10)

45.13 ***Jeremy Wariner (Bay).........Sun Angel..04/12

45.14 ***Kelly Willie (LSU)..............NCAA..06/14

45.28 *O.J. Hogans (SH)..........Big East..05/03

45.29 *Andrew Rock (WiLC)..........NCAA III..05/24

45.33 James Davis (Nik).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

45.42 *Rickey Harris (Fl).........Texas Inv..05/03

45.52 *Jerry Harris (TCU).............USATF..06/22

45.57 -Otto Spain (Clem)...........Clemson..05/10

45.59 ***Ashton Collins (Tx).........Pan-Am Jr..07/19

45.62 Anthuan Maybank (HP).............USATF..06/21

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45.72 **Albert Booker (TxT)..........ACU Open..05/08

Ja'Warren Hooker (Asics).............USATF..06/19

45.75 Andre Ammons (A&A).......Basse-Terre..04/30

45.77 ***Felix Anderson (SnIl)............Mo Vly..05/17

45.81 Andre Ammonds (unat).........Jerome Cl..06/08

45.82 Brandon Couts (Pion).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

**LaChristopher Lewis (MsSt)..............SEC..05/18

45.88 Xavier Carter (FlHS)............Mobile..04/05

Darnell Hall (DetPAL).....USATF Club Ch..07/19

45.92 Carnell Coleman (unat)......Seminole Twi..05/10

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45.93i **Jonathan Fortenberry (SC)..........NCAA Ind..03/14

45.94 -Joe Mendel (Ct)............NCAA E..05/31

45.96 -Bryan Swarn (GaT)............NCAA E..05/30

46.00 **Jason Barton (AzSt)......Castillo Inv..03/22

46.04 *Brandon Matlock (USC)..........UCLA-USC..04/26

46.07 Alvin Harrison (Nik).............USATF..06/22

46.08 **Seth Amoo (AzSt)............Pac-10..05/18

46.11i Reggie Witherspoon (GaHS)...............NSI..03/16

46.13 Milton Campbell (adi).............USATF..06/19

46.14 D'Marcus Williams (unat).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

Foreign Collegians:

44.84 *Brandon Simpson (TCU-Jam)............Jam Ch..06/21

44.99 -Gary Kikaya (Tn-Con)..........World Ch..08/24

45.16 -Sanjay Ayre (Aub-Jam)..............NCAA..06/14

45.49 -Chris Lloyd (TxSn-Dom)..............SWAC..05/04

45.66 *Richard James (LIU-Jam)..............NCAA..06/14

45.68 ***Lewis Banda (AzSt-Zim)......Drake R Open..04/26

45.70 **Damion Barry (KCKCC-Tri)..............JUCO..05/09

45.88 *DeWayne Barrett (StJ-Jam)............NCAA E..05/31

45.98 **Pete Coley (LSU-Jam)..............NCAA..06/12

46.10 ***Wilan Louis (StA-Bar)...........Lib Twi..05/08

(A) -Richard Petty (UTEP-Bah)...............WAC..05/17

800 METERS

1:44.30 David Krummenacker (adi)..........Paris GP..07/04

1:45.03 Khadevis Robinson (Nik)...........Lucerne..06/25

1:45.46 Bryan Woodward (NFT)..........Budapest..08/08

1:45.69 Derrick Peterson (adi).........Brunswick..07/05

1:46.17 -Sam Burley (Penn)........Heusden GP..08/02

1:46.45 Jess Strutzel (Nik)............Pan-Am..08/06

1:46.51 **Jonathan Johnson (TxT)..............NCAA..06/14

1:46.56 **Marc Sylvester (Tn)...............SEC..05/18

1:46.72 Jebreh Harris (HolyF)...........Cottbus..06/04

1:46.78 Floyd Thompson (SMTC).............USATF..06/22

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1:47.05 *Moise Joseph (Fl)..............NCAA..06/14

1:47.09 Toby Henkels (TMn)..........Victoria..06/11

1:47.22 *Jean Balan (Ky)...............SEC..05/18

1:47.39 -Timothy Dunne (Mo)..............NCAA..06/11

1:47.40i *David Freeman (Ky).........Lexington..01/25

1:47.52 Michael Stember (Nik).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/19

1:47.53i -Fred Sharpe (Aub)..............Ames..03/08

1:47.56 *Jesse O'Connell (Gtn)..............NCAA..06/14

1:47.72 Jacob Koczman (InI).....USATF Club Ch..07/19

1:47.75i Joseph Lee (unat)..........NCAA Ind..03/14

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1:47.77 Bryan Berryhill (adi)...........Watford..07/05

1:47.89 ***Michael Inge (Kent)..........USATF Jr..06/22

**Mike Taylor (Ar)......Mt. SAC Open..04/18

1:47.93 Andrew Neugebauer (NFT)......Drake R Open..04/26

1:47.96 *Grant Robison (Stan).....USATF Mid-Sum..07/12

1:48.04 **Jeremy Mims (Ks)...........NCAA MW..05/31

1:48.05 **Said Ahmed (Ar)...............SEC..05/16

Lubert Lewis (ReebBo).............USATF..06/19

1:48.08 Kevin Elliott (NFT).........Brunswick..07/05

1:48.15 **Dan Murray (Wi).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/19

(30)

1:48.28 Trinity Gray (Nik)..........Kalamáta..05/31

1:48.29i -Hunter Spencer (Ky).........Lexington..01/25

1:48.33 Jeff DeLong (NFT).........Brunswick..07/05

1:48.41 **Roderick Dotts (Bart)......McDonnell Inv..4/12

1:48.48 **Ben Aragon (UCLA)...........Oxy Inv..05/10

1:48.49i -Caleb Bailey (WnCar)........Wilson Inv..03/08

1:48.51 -Chad Johnson (Ky)...........Sea Ray..04/11

1:48.56 Michael McGrath (OrHS)........Centennial..04/26

1:48.62i *Paul Ciurlys (Ky).........Lexington..01/25

1:48.63i *James Doaty (Ky).........Lexington..02/08

Foreign Collegians:

1:46.41 **Jackson Langat (TCU-Ken)..............NCAA..06/11

1:46.62 *Robbie Stevens (Ar-SA)...............SEC..05/18

1:46.88 ***Peter Etoot (Al-Ken)...............SEC..05/18

i *Otukile Lekote (SC-Bot).........Lexington..01/25

1:47.04 **Nate Brannen (Mi-Can)..............NCAA..06/11

1:47.50 **Sherridan Kirk (KCKCC-Tri)...........Pan-Am..08/06

1:47.57 *Aldwyn Sappleton (Ok-Jam)..............NCAA..06/14

1:48.49 *Chris Mulvaney (Ar-GB)...............SEC..05/16

1:48.61 ***István Kerékjártó (Mem-Hun)........Sea Ray..04/11

1500 METERS

3:35.15 David Krummenacker (adi)......Gateshead GP..07/13

3:35.75 *Grant Robison (Stan)........Heusden GP..08/02

3:36.68 Bryan Berryhill (adi).........Zagreb GP..07/07

3:36.99 Jason Lunn (Nik).........Zagreb GP..07/07

3:39.74 Charlie Gruber (Nik).......Portland GP..05/17

3:39.94 Jesse Strutzel (Nik)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

3:40.16 Seneca Lassiter (Nik).......Portland GP..05/17

3:41.11 -Joel Atwater (Web)..............NCAA..06/14

3:41.41 Michael Stember (Nik)....Home Depot Inv..06/01

3:41.49 Dan Wilson (Asics)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

(10)

3:41.53 **John Jefferson (In)......Mt. SAC Open..04/18

3:41.76 **James Hatch (Ar).....McDonnell Inv..04/12

3:41.89 -Sean O'Brien (Amer)..............NCAA..06/14

3:41.96 Jeff Wood (unat)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:42.05 -Jorge Torres (Co)............Pyrgos..07/27

3:42.26 **Said Ahmed (Ar)..............NCAA..06/12

3:42.42 -Aaron Lanzel (Navy)..........Oordegem..08/16

3:42.47 -Isaiah Festa (Wi)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:42.4 Jim Sorensen (NFT)............Durham..07/08

3:42.61 Ray Weeden (unat).........Jerome Cl..06/08

(20)

3:42.65 *David Freeman (Ky)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:42.6 Matt Gabrielson (TMn)............Durham..07/08

Brendan Rodgers (NFT)............Durham..07/08

3:42.73 -Blake Boldon (SWMo)...........Sea Ray..04/11

3:42.83 **Matt Gonzales (NM)...........NCAA MW..05/31

3:42.85 **Ryan Ponsonby (Tx)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:42.87ie Alan Webb (Nik)........Armory Inv..02/15

3:42.88 *Martin Robeck (Mn)...........NCAA MW..05/31

3:42.89 **Mike Taylor (Ar).....McDonnell Inv..04/12

3:42.93 *Tom Parlapiano (Vill)............NCAA E..05/31

(30)

3:43.06 Jonathon Riley (Nik)..........Stanford..05/09

3:43.0 Brendan Fitzgibbon (NFT)............Durham..07/08

3:43.20 Adam Goucher (Nik)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:43.25 -Daniel Lincoln (Ar).....McDonnell Inv..04/12

3:43.27 *Hunter Spencer (Ky)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:43.30 *Brendon Mahoney (GaT)............NCAA E..05/31

3:43.37 ***Ryan Hall (Stan)......Cardinal Inv..05/02

3:43.42e Ibrahim Aden (Nik).........Eugene GP..05/24

3:43.59 ***Chris Lukezic (Gtn)............NCAA E..05/31

3:43.61 *Brent Wilberts (Drake)...........NCAA MW..05/31

Foreign Collegians:

3:36.58 ***Nick Willis (Mi-NZ).........Zagreb GP..07/07

3:39.24 *Alistair Cragg (Ar-Ire).....McDonnell Inv..04/12

3:40.44 *Chris Mulvaney (Ar-GB)..............NCAA..06/14

3:41.45 *Ryan Hayden (Vill-Can).......Portland GP..05/17

3:42.41 **Simon Ngata (ButCC-Ken).....McDonnell Inv..04/12

3:42.48 **Richard Kiplagat (Iona-Ken)............NCAA..06/12

3:43.07 -James Bowler (Nb-GB)..............NCAA..06/14

MILE

3:54.43 Jason Lunn (Nik).........Eugene GP..05/24

3:56.96 Adam Goucher (Nik)..........Victoria..06/11

3:57.83i -Luke Watson (NDm)........Notre Dame..02/08

3:58.24i Ian Connor (Nik)........Notre Dame..02/08

3:58.40i Michael Stember (Nik)...........Seattle..02/15

3:58.64i -Rob Myers (OhSt).........Lexington..02/08

3:58.84 Alan Webb (Nik).........Eugene GP..05/24

3:58.95i *Grant Robison (Stan)...........Seattle..03/08

3:59.49 Ibrahim Aden (Nik).........Eugene GP..05/24

3:59.83 Dan Wilson (Asics).........Brunswick..07/05

(10)

3:59.99i Jason Long (DCTC)...Armory Coll Inv..02/15

4:00.38i ***Ben Aragon (UCLA)...........Seattle..03/08

4:00.69i -Hunter Spencer (Ky)...........SEC Ind..03/02

4:00.84i -Daniel Lincoln (Ar)...........Lincoln..02/08

4:01.02 Steve Magness (TxHS).........Eugene GP..05/24

4:01.04i Seneca Lassiter (Nik).........Tyson Inv..02/15

4:01.10i *David Freeman (Ky)...........SEC Ind..03/02

4:01.37i *Jordan Desilets (EnMi)........Notre Dame..02/08

4:01.45i -Ryan Bak (Trin)............Boston..02/15

4:01.53 Ray Weeden (unat)..........Victoria..06/11

(20)

4:01.81i Charlie Gruber (Nik)..............Ames..03/08

4:02.01 Steve Slattery (Nik)............Dublin..08/15

4:02.14 Christian Hesch (unat)..........Victoria..06/11

4:02.26i Ray Hughes (unat)...........Seattle..03/08

4:02.30i Rob Mitchell (NFT)...........Seattle..02/15

4:02.35 Paul Kezes (unat)..........Victoria..06/11

4:02.50i *Donald Sage (Stan)...........Seattle..02/15

4:02.55 Bryan Berryhill (adi).........London GP..08/08

Brendan Rodgers (NFT).........Brunswick..07/05

4:02.71i -Michael Baird (Prin)...Armory Coll Inv..02/15

(30)

i Kurt Michaelis (unat)........Notre Dame..02/08

4:02.80 Jess Strutzel (Nik).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/19

4:03.03i **John Jefferson (In)........Wilson Inv..03/08

4:03.15 Tom Parlapiano (Vill).........Brunswick..07/05

4:03.63i -Blake Boldon (SWMo).........Lexington..02/08

4:03.68i -Aaron Lanzel (Navy)........Wilson Inv..03/08

4:03.76i Brandon Strong (Asics)...........Seattle..02/15

4:03.77 -Matt Groose (WiO)......Drake R Open..04/26

4:03.80i *Erik Schmidt (Navy)........Wilson Inv..03/08

4:03.82i -Kevin Somok (NDm)........Notre Dame..02/08

Foreign Collegians:

3:57.96i **Nathan Brannen (Mi-Can)........Notre Dame..02/08

3:58.07i -Boaz Cheboiywo (EnMi-Ken)........Notre Dame..02/08

3:58.15i ***Nick Willis (Mi-NZ)........Notre Dame..02/08

3:58.94i *Chris Mulvaney (Ar-GB).........Tyson Inv..02/15

3:59.72i *Ryan Hayden (Vill-Can)...Armory Coll Inv..02/15

3:59.94i *Alistair Cragg (Ar-Ire)...........SEC Ind..03/02

4:00.41i *Gavin Thompson (EnMi-GB)........Notre Dame..02/08

4:01.90i **Eric Morrison (NDm-Can)........Notre Dame..02/08

4:03.38i *Silverus Kimeli (Ar-Ken)......Fayetteville..01/18

STEEPLE

8:22.32 Steve Slattery (Nik)...........World Ch..08/23

8:24.10 -Daniel Lincoln (Ar)..............USATF..06/21

8:24.82 Robert Gary (adi)..............USATF..06/21

8:29.44 *Jordan Desilets (EnMi)...............NCAA..06/14

8:30.74 Tom Kloos (adi)..............USATF..06/19

8:30.99 Tom Chorny (Brk)..............USATF..06/21

8:31.03 Anthony Famiglietti (adi)..............USATF..06/19

8:31.23 Jared Cordes (WRRT)..............USATF..06/19

8:31.71 -Bashar Ibrahim (UTEP)...............NCAA..06/14

8:32.18 -Isaiah Festa (Wi)...............NCAA..06/14

(10)

8:33.14 Dave Cullum (NFT)..............USATF..06/19

8:33.35 -Lyle Weese (MtSt)..............USATF..06/19

8:33.54 Carl Blackhurst (BouRC)..............USATF..06/19

8:33.88 Sandu Rebenciuc (USAr)..........Jerome Cl..06/08

8:34.37 **Andy Smith (NCSt)..............USATF..06/19

8:35.81 -Kevin Barra (Tx)...............NCAA..06/14

8:39.10 *Ben Bruce (SLO)...............NCAA..06/11

8:39.34 Mark Croghan (adi)...........Owens Cl..05/02

8:40.74 **Steve Zieminski (Fl)...............NCAA..06/11

8:42.13 Jeremy Tolman (unat)..............USATF..06/19

(20)

8:43.40 Adam Batliner (NYAC)..........Jerome Cl..06/08

8:43.52 Jacques Sallberg (unat)..............USATF..06/19

8:43.61 Ray Hughes (Nik)...........Stanford..05/09

8:43.67 **Mike Nicks (CoSt)...............NCAA..06/11

8:44.42 **Matt Adams (BYU)...............NCAA..06/11

8:45.89 -Joel Atwater (Web).............Eugene..04/26

8:47.25 *Tristan Colangelo (Prin)...............NCAA..06/11

8:48.23 ***Aaron Fisher (OhSt).............Big 10..05/17

8:48.81 **Brett Holts (Or).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

8:49.45 -Luke Watson (NDm)...........Big East..05/03

(30)

8:49.84 *Ken Richardson (Web).......Stanford Inv..03/28

8:50.06 *Tom Burns (In)........Penn R Univ..04/24

8:50.64 -Philip McPherson (WnCo)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

8:50.75 *Jonathan Gibson (MtSt).............Eugene..04/26

8:50.83 **Ian Dobson (Stan).............Pac-10..05/17

8:51.24 John Mortimer (unat).............Penn R..04/24

8:52.24 *Ricky Brookshire (NCSt).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

8:52.94 Clint Wells (Nik)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

8:53.20 -Chad Buechel (Brown)...............IC4A..05/16

8:54.27 -Justin Easter (Bates)...........NCAA III..05/23

Foreign Collegians:

8:36.92 ***Itay Magidi (Clem-Isr)...............NCAA..06/14

8:37.53 *Máté Németh (Mem-Hun).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

8:40.65 -Martin Allgeyer (SMU-Ger)...............NCAA..06/11

8:40.94 -Jochen Dieckfoss (BU-Ger)...............NCAA..06/11

8:42.01 **Henrik Ahnström (NnAz-Swe).......Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

8:45.49 *Jan Eitel (Id-Ger).............NCAA W..05/31

8:46.05 *Gary Blackman (But-GB)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

8:48.44 -Juan de Bastos (TxAM-Arg).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

8:48.62 *Péter Weisz (Kent-Hun)................MAC..05/16

8:49.87 -Mindaugas Pukstas (SMU-Lit).........Tx R Univ..04/04

8:50.32 **Erik Emilsson (UCLA-Swe).......Stanford Inv..03/28

8:51.58 *Qwain Matthews (Tuls-GB).......Stanford Inv..03/28

8:52.85 ***Sören Linder (SMU-Ger)............NCAA MW..05/31

8:53.68 **Sjaan Gerth (OhSt-Can)...........Owens Cl..05/02

3000 METERS

7:46.57 Tim Broe (adi)........Portland GP..05/17

7:47.68 Jonathon Riley (Nik)........Portland GP..05/17

7:48.72 Adam Goucher (Nik)........Stanford GP..06/07

7:48.81 Meb Keflezighi (Nik)..........Berlin GP..08/10

7:49.68i Bolota Asmerom (Nik)............Seattle..02/01

7:50.76 Steve Slattery (Nik)........Stanford GP..06/07

7:51.39i -Daniel Lincoln (Ar)......Adidas Boston..02/01

7:52.15 -Jorge Torres (Co)........Helsinki GP..08/18

7:52.67 Mike Donnelly (Nik)........Stanford GP..06/07

7:54.13i -Jeremy Park (Wa)............Seattle..02/15

(10)

7:54.35i -Lyle Weese (MtSt)............Seattle..03/08

7:54.81 Bob Kennedy (Nik).......Gateshead GP..07/13

7:55.08i Dan Wilson (Asics)..........USATF Ind..03/02

7:55.19i Drew Griffin (NFT)............Seattle..02/01

7:55.50i Chad Johnson (Nik)............Seattle..02/01

7:55.78i -Luke Watson (NDm)......Adidas Boston..02/01

7:55.92i Eric Savoth (NFT)..........USATF Ind..03/02

7:56.01i *Seth Hejny (Stan)............Seattle..02/15

7:56.06i Clint Wells (NYAC)......Adidas Boston..02/01

7:56.59 Abdi Abdirahman (Nik)........Stanford GP..06/07

(20)

7:56.70i -Louis Luchini (Stan)............Seattle..02/15

7:56.93 Dan Browne (Nik)........Stanford GP..06/07

7:58.37i *Grant Robison (Stan)............Seattle..02/15

7:58.52i Sandu Rebenciuc (unat)............Seattle..02/01

7:59.31 Nick Rogers (Nik)........Portland GP..05/17

7:59.43i *Jason Hartmann (Or)............Seattle..03/08

7:59.63i **Matt Tegenkamp (Wi)...............Ames..02/15

8:00.15 Chris Graff (NFT)........Stanford GP..06/07

8:00.87i Nick MacFalls (USAF)............Seattle..02/01

8:01.22i *Ryan Andrus (Or)............Seattle..03/08

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8:01.74i Rob Mitchell (NFT)............Seattle..02/01

8:02.37i -Michael Baird (Prin)....University Park..02/01

8:02.43i Ryan Woods (NFT)............Seattle..02/01

8:02.46 Nolan Swanson (Asics)........Portland GP..05/17

8:02.63i Paul Kezes (CNW)............Seattle..02/01

8:03.01i -Bashar Ibrahim (UETP)...............Ames..03/08

8:03.21i ***Bobby Lockhart (Wi)...............Ames..02/15

8:03.25 Ray Hughes (Nik).............Or Twi..05/03

8:03.48i Bryan Berryhill (adi)..........Ann Arbor..01/25

8:03.64i Chris Lundstrom (adi)............Seattle..02/01

Foreign Collegians:

7:45.22i *Alistair Cragg (Ar-Ire)......Adidas Boston..02/01

7:52.40i -Boaz Cheboiywo (EnMi-Ken)............EnMi Cl..02/15

i **Kip Kangogo (BYU-Ken)............Seattle..03/08

7:59.06i -Mindaugas Pukstas (SMU-Lit).........IaSt Open..01/25

7:59.19i ***Nick Willis (Mi-NZ)..........Ann Arbor..01/25

7:59.26i *Silverus Kimeli (Ar-Ken)............SEC Ind..03/01

8:00.46i -Will McComb (Mn-Can).........Wilson Inv..03/08

8:02.66i ***Richard Kiplagat (Iona-Ken)......Millrose G..02/07

5000 METERS

13:20.50 Meb Keflezighi (NiK).......Stockholm GP..08/05

13:21.85 Bob Kennedy (Nik).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:23.25 Abdi Abdirahman (Nik).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:24.17 -Jorge Torres (Co).........Heusden GP..08/02

13:31.80 *Louis Luchini (Stan)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:35.23 Tim Broe (adi)..............USATF..06/20

13:35.67 Adam Goucher (Nik)..............USATF..06/20

13:36.89 Chad Johnson (Nik)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:37.08 Jonathon Riley (Nik)..............USATF..06/20

13:37.31 -Daniel Lincoln (Ar).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

(10)

13:38.73 -Luke Watson (NDm)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:39.17 **Dathan Ritzenhein (Co)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:40.46 Mike Donnelly (Nik)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:41.36 Chris Graff (NFT)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:41.74i Ben Dawson (Nik)...........NCAA Ind..03/14

13:41.82 *Grant Robison (Stan).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

13:41.88 Matt Gabrielson (TMn)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:42.69 Matt Lane (Nik)..........London GP..08/08

13:42.75 Dan Browne (Nik)...............Cork..07/05

Peter Sherry (Reeb).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

(20)

13:43.05 Steve Slattery (Nik).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

13:43.12 Brendan Rodgers (NFT).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

13:43.45 Eric Savoth (NFT).......Stanford Inv..03/29

13:43.96 Brad Hauser (Nik).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

13:45.36 Ryan Kirkpatrick (USAr)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:48.35 **Matt Gonzales (NM)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:48.61 Karl Savage (Zap)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:49.76 -Sean Graham (WM)..........Brunswick..07/05

13:50.05 Paul Kezes (CNW).......Stanford Inv..03/29

13:50.33 -Lyle Weese (MtSt).............Eugene..04/26

(30)

13:50.71 Ryan Woods (NFT).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

13:51.16 Greg Jimmerson (NFT)..........Brunswick..07/05

13:51.48i Ahman Dirks (NikP)............Seattle..02/01

13:51.50 Jason Fayant (CNW).............Eugene..04/26

13:51.66 Alan Culpepper (adi)..............USATF..06/20

13:51.68 *Seth Hejny (Stan)..............USATF..06/20

13:52.29i **Ian Dobson (Stan)............Seattle..03/08

13:52.56 *Josh Eberly (WnCo)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:52.62 **Eric Logsdon (Or).............Eugene..04/26

13:53.11i Dave Davis (Nik)............Seattle..02/01

Foreign Collegians:

13:25.59 *Alistair Cragg (Ar-Ire)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:29.26i -Boaz Cheboiywo (EnMi-Ken)...........NCAA Ind..03/14

13:41.25i **Richard Kiplagat (Iona-Ken)..Armory Coll Inv..02/14

13:41.75 ***Obed Mutanya (CAz-Zam)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:45.10i -Mindaugas Pukstas (SMU-Lit).........Tyson Inv..02/15

13:45.23 **Henrik Ahnström (NnAz-Swe)............Eugene..04/26

13:45.88 ***Robert Cheseret (Az-Ken)........Mt. SAC Inv..04/17

13:52.32i *Silverus Kimeli (Ar-Ken)............SEC Ind..03/02

13:53.01i *Jason Woolhouse (OkSt-NZ)..........Tyson Inv..02/15

10,000 METERS

27:41.90 Alan Culpepper (adi).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

27:51.06 Bob Kennedy (Nik)........Brussels GP..09/05

27:52.24 Abdi Abdirahman (Nik).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

27:57.59 Meb Keflezighi (Nik)..............USATF..06/19

28:02.34 Mike Donnelly (Nik).......Cardinal Inv..05/02

28:03.48 Daniel Browne (Nik)..............USATF..06/19

28:06.58 Weldon Johnson (LR)..............USATF..06/19

28:20.20 -Daniel Lincoln (Ar)...............NCAA..06/12

28:20.51 **Ian Dobson (Stan)..............USATF..06/19

28:21.41 Chris Graff (NFT)..............USATF..06/19

At the top end of things there is great parity between the two nations (with the exception of Krum in the 800m). However, the USA naturally have more depth within the top 10 due to size of nation, college system and high calibre races.

Apologies for my shit cut and pasting job for the 10k!!

The list does reveal a lot. Maybe both America and England would be wise to compare themselves to Kenya and see what needs to be done.

Is the mile going out of favor. It seems the 1500meter is now the standard measurement. Even Krummenacker has admitted he hates running the mile.

If someone has the time and energy maybe they could post the Kenyan distance team results for 2003. I am sure it would be mind blowing.

There's no doubt that the US is currently stronger than the UK in the distance events. There are a number reasons why we are weaker than in previous eras - most of which waz alluded to earlier. I do think, however, that the UK may experience a mini resurgence over the next couple of years. I reckon we'll have more distance guys at the Olympics than we had at the World Champs this year.

Team for GB at Athens

800m - Soos, McIlroy

1500m - three from East, Whiteman, Mayo, Mayock (Mayock was going to move up to 5k but I think he may be tempted to stick with the 1500m because of the revised standards)

5k - three from Thompson, Farah, Haughian, Graffin, Davies

10k - Riley

Marathon - three from Steinle, Brown, Keska, O'Dowd

3k chase - no one :(

Anyway, can't chat too much today, I've gots stacks of work to get on with!!!

P.S. Lunn lost to Mayock

Of course we also have to take into account the US population in relation to the uk population!