U.S. Recon Marine/Navy SEAL vs. UFC Fighter: Who Wins?

It wouldn't even be close. Unless the military person is skilled in the martial arts, he wouldn't even have an outside chance against a UFC fighter.

Hand to hand combat is life and death for a soldier, so I would imagine elite units like the ones you listed are very well trained in the most effective means known of how to incapacitate or kill somebody with your hands. UFC fighters don't kill people (that I know of), so I think they'd be at a disadvantage in a fight to the death.

i'm pretty sure you are wrong, dead wrong

think it through: the marine and the seal are armed, trained, and willing to kill ... the ufc fighter is skilled at fighting in a cage

honestly i doubt the ufc fighter gets within 500 yards of the marine/seal

by the way, you will probably be astounded to learn that the u.s. military (like its counterparts around the world) provides martial arts training and cqc training (close quarter combat)to its forces

now lets say we ask the marine and seal very nicely to disarm themselves and fight without weapons or teammates, well assuming they would do that it would still mean:

the seal would be at an advantage in the water

the seal and marine would immediately utilize makeshift weapons

so assuming the fight is on land and makeshift weapons are not allowed,

at that point individual experience and weight/reach issues come into play

a 225 lb man will beat a 150 lb man almost every time if all else is equal

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I guess you missed the part of the original question that said no weapons??A UFC fighter would have them in a submission hold within 15 seconds and choke them to death.

usa armed forces wrote:

i'm pretty sure you are wrong, dead wrong

think it through: the marine and the seal are armed, trained, and willing to kill ... the ufc fighter is skilled at fighting in a cage

honestly i doubt the ufc fighter gets within 500 yards of the marine/seal

i guess you missed the part of my answer that discussed no weapons

This is funny. I'm sure this fight will happen in water so the seal will have his advantage. Or that as they are throwing punches the seal will have time to make a makeshift weapon.

Marines and Seals may be trained in hand to hand combat, but if they've never used it (or rarely use it) it won't be second nature like fighting is to a UFC fighter. Real fights happen fast and they end quickly. Most people are not accustomed to the speed of a real fight.

And you're sorely mistaken if you think a UFC fighter won't know how to kill someone. Every wrestler knows all the dirty tricks in the book - all the illegal moves, all the strikes to the neck and chokes that crush your windpipe.

I would absolutely take the guy who practices fighting every day over the guy who was trained, never uses it, then has to take brush-up classes every few months.

So, what did this statement mean in your original post?? "honestly i doubt the ufc fighter gets within 500 yards of the marine/seal" - how would the marine/seal keep someone 500 yards from them without a weapon?

usa armed forces wrote:

i guess you missed the part of my answer that discussed no weapons

....And why does the the UFC fighter have to weigh 150 lbs?

usa armed forces wrote:

a 225 lb man will beat a 150 lb man almost every time if all else is equal

next question

Well, I've never seen a Marine or SEAL fight so I have no idea what kind of skills they have. With that said, my bet would be on the UFC fighter if weight/strength were fairly close and no weapons were involved.

it means these questions are always premise-based, and premise-based controlled environment 'rules' is not real-life and no-rules combat

riddle me this non-combatants:

why does the UFC have weight classes??

why does the UFC have referees?

why does the UFC have rules outlawing eyegouge, biting, etc.?

when the UFC started out without weight classes it was closer to what you are asking "who can beat who?"

gracie was and would be a serious threat to anyone

a krav maga style is what you are talking about no rules and no quarter, so the question is really would a marine or seal or ufc fighter be better at that, my answer is the same as before:

marines and seals are given this specific training

ufc fighters are not given that specific training

ufc fighters could certainly pick up this training

i still think the winner is determined more by body size and speed than skill, only the truly skilled such as a gracie can overcome the size/speed disadvantage

in the end there is only one way to know who will prevail, and no sensible marine, seal, or ufc fighter wants to have to kill someone just to see who would win

by the way here is what is illegal in UFC fighting:

Butting with the head.

Eye gouging of any kind.

Biting.

Hair pulling.

Fish hooking.

Groin attacks of any kind.

Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (see Gouging)

Small joint manipulation.

Striking to the spine or the back of the head. (see Rabbit punch)

Striking downward using the point of the elbow. (see Elbow (strike))

Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.

Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.

Grabbing the clavicle.

Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.

Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.

Stomping a grounded opponent.

Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (see piledriver)

Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.

Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.

Spitting at an opponent.

Engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.

Holding the ropes or the fence.

Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.

Attacking an opponent on or during the break.

Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.

Attacking an opponent after the bell (horn) has sounded the end of a round.

Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.

Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.

Interference by the corner.

Throwing in the towel during competition.

a lot of those things that are illegal in ufc are taught in krav maga

especially "Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh", aka the titty twister which is so dangerous that it is outlawed in most martial arts and considered dishonorable to inflict

i think the average ufc guy beats the average guy on the street easily, but the seals are not average guys in the armed forces and they would sure put up a helluva fight

i think the real answer to this is I would not want to be in a dark alley with any of them

Krav Maga is the official combat system of the Israeli Defense Forces. It is used by our Navy Seals, Delta Force, FBI, and over 250 law enforcement agencies across the U.S.

this no weapon, no rules self-defense approach is highly effective

if we could get adversaries to agree to enter the octagon with a referee then perhaps delta force and the fbi and seals would ask dana white to take over the self-defense training for the usa

the only thing this thread tells me is that most people have not been in a fight in a long time, and when they were it was broken up

UFC uses stage managers to orchestrate the stunts. But how do they fight in un-staged fights ? That's the question. Plus most tough acting sports guys are useless in combat. They do sports because they are cowards at heart trying to man up and it works for some of them. You'd be amazed the kills a Marine/SEAL grunt can get due to sheer guts.

Stage Manager wrote:

UFC uses stage managers to orchestrate the stunts. But how do they fight in un-staged fights ? That's the question.

Um, the UFC is real fighting. There are rules and gloves just like boxing, but it is not staged like WWE Wrestling.

The MMA fighter would win. That's like asking who would win in a 1 on 1 game, a Navy Seal or an NBA player. Sure the MMA fighter would win.

To keep things even, you would have to have the fight between a top UFC fighter and a top SEAL or Marine fighter.

Here's the thing- UFC fighters have almost always lost a fight. Even the top fighters have several losses on their record.

If the Marine or the SEAL had lost a fight, he wouldn't be alive.

UFC fighters haven't killed anyone. The Marine or the SEAL would have, probably many. And much like sharks, once they have tasted human blood... let's just say there is no going back.

Therefore, the Marine or the SEAL would dominate the UFC fighter. All of us feeble Letsrunners would have to turn our heads in disgust long before the death blow.

Marine versus SEAL would be a battle so evenly matched that each fighter would probably die of starvation, after about six weeks into the nonstop hand-to-hand combat, before losing.

Marines fight to the DEATH. Any fight with athletes/sailors would have to be to the death.

when i was in the 2nd grade i fought another 2nd grader who became a seal

when i was in the 4rth grade i fought a 5th grader who fought briefly in the UFC (later in life)

i have never fought anyone that was in marine recon so i cannot speak to that

both of these fights were no-holds barred after school playground grudge matches with no teachers and limited spectators, certainly no referees

after some grappling i pinned the seal under my knees and struck repeated blows to his face, stopping only when he began crying and was bloody and said he was sorry for calling me a name earlier in the day, we later became friends

the 5th grader was considerably bigger than me but i got in a good strike to his eye socket and a kick to his leg which dropped him to the ground face down, i then jumped on him shoving his face into the gravel of the playground and doing cosiderable damage, i grabbed his underwear and gave a pull as he tried to get away and he got a terrible wedgie causing other kids to start laughing, he said that was 'unfair' and he was not gonna fight anymore

i have never had anymore fights in life, just the way it has turned out

so from my point of view I am the baddest man on the planet and king of the hill until proven otherwise

Pick 1 UFC guy, 1 Marine. No staging, no ring, no date, gno time. They'd have to hunt down each other. The UFC bozo would meet Jesus before the day is done.