According to IAAF article, 2:05 Marathoner Sammy Wanjiru of Kenya trains an average of 120 KILOMETERS weekly.
Now that is talent.
According to IAAF article, 2:05 Marathoner Sammy Wanjiru of Kenya trains an average of 120 KILOMETERS weekly.
Now that is talent.
70-75 miles at altitude w/ mountain not hill running @ 5min. pace might be harder than you think
but, yeah, he's way talented.
Dude is a beast, but it doesn't take a genius to notice that the water at the bottom of a waterfall is falling faster than the water near the top. I mean, c'mon. Seriously.
average does not necessarily mean that he runs 75 mpw every week. he may have some 40s mixed in with some 120s or someting like taht.
China Star wrote:
According to IAAF article, 2:05 Marathoner Sammy Wanjiru of Kenya trains an average of 120 KILOMETERS weekly.
Now that is talent.
http://iaaf.org/OLY08/news/kind=103/newsid=46392.html
But that's not Lydiardism. WTF?
I'd guess that he does 74 or so miles per week---as his highest weeks. Then he reports that as his average. That is typically what the Kenyans do. They aren't trying to mislead, they just don't look at volume as the aim of training.
When Richard Chelimo did the 10k WR on the track, he reported that he was training 5 days per week (and that he had to take the weekends off because his training was so hard during the week). His former agent translated this for me...he ran at most 5 days per week (because he was kinda lazy, but his workouts on some days were mind boggling.)
I find it hard to believe that 120km is his max. That would leave him with only a 30km long run. It probably is a true average with some being 150km and some being 80km.
probably not counting his morning runs - "to open the lungs".
could be 5*6 miles for another 50km/week.
there have been a few great distance runners who did not run heavy mileages.
1. steve jones was said to have only run about 80 miles a week.
2. in the book the self coached runner author and 1956 bronze medalist at 10k allen lawrence said he asked rod dixon how much mileage he was doing? as dixon was tearing up the road circuit including a 2:08 at the new york city course, to which dixon replied, i run 70 miles a week no more, but everyone thinks i have to be doing 120 or more a week.
3. grete waitz said the longest run she ever did before her marathon debut at new york in which she broke the world record
was 12 miles.
4. mike musyocki who won numerous individual and team ncaa track and cross country records, won a bronze medal in the 1984 olympics, world road records at 10k, 15k and the half marathon and ran a 2:10 marathon, said his schedule was running for 1 hour tuesday, wednesday, thursday and saturday. a 5k warmup and cooldown and 8-20 x 400 with 200 jog on friday a race on sunday, monday was a rest day, he said because he raced at least 35 - 40 times a year and that was his only source of income he did not run any 2 a days as trying that might leave him flat for the races, he did say he ran about 12 miles in his hour runs, and felt this training was good because race days were only a little faster than his everyday run.
5. as for sammy wanjiru some will say well the kenyans lie about their age, but wanjiru was a high school student training in japan when he ran a 26:41 for 10k his age was supposedly 18.
a dude wrote:
probably not counting his morning runs - "to open the lungs".
could be 5*6 miles for another 50km/week.
It seems forgotten that Lydiard recommended such morning runs, and that he didn't count them in his training. They were above and beyond his 100 miles/wk - shakeout runs.
I remember, perhaps Henry will too, back in the eighties when he was living in Eugene, as was I. I'd see Henry at all hours of the day jogging around in a sweatsuit. At the time he ran a 1:04 half marathon in Austin and, when interviewed following the race, said he was only training 40 miles/wk! I had occasion to ask him about this - he was kind of coaching a friend of min - and he said those jogging miles weren't training. They were 'weight control'. One man's mileage is another man's rice cake...
I remember a long, long time ago an articel in, I think, SI about Filbert Bayi. He told the reporter that he ran 50 mpw.
First thing in the morning, got up and ran 7 miles to I don't remember where.
Then, in the afternoon ran his workout. Not counting the morning "commute" he ran about 50mpw. The "commute" was another 35 or so. The reporter asked what was up. Bayi said something to the effect of, the morning runs don't cont as training mileage because he would do them if he was a runner or not.
OK, I'm remembering back to 1975 or so, but I always remembered this.
It's his average over his entire life-time. Eg; from years 1 - 5 he probably only averaged 15km a week. - may have had a year off recovering from a lion attack when 12 or so.
Averages are just averages.
doug burke wrote:
there have been a few great distance runners who did not run heavy mileages.
1. steve jones was said to have only run about 80 miles a week.
2. in the book the self coached runner author and 1956 bronze medalist at 10k allen lawrence said he asked rod dixon how much mileage he was doing? as dixon was tearing up the road circuit including a 2:08 at the new york city course, to which dixon replied, i run 70 miles a week no more, but everyone thinks i have to be doing 120 or more a week.
3. grete waitz said the longest run she ever did before her marathon debut at new york in which she broke the world record
was 12 miles.
4. mike musyocki who won numerous individual and team ncaa track and cross country records, won a bronze medal in the 1984 olympics, world road records at 10k, 15k and the half marathon and ran a 2:10 marathon, said his schedule was running for 1 hour tuesday, wednesday, thursday and saturday. a 5k warmup and cooldown and 8-20 x 400 with 200 jog on friday a race on sunday, monday was a rest day, he said because he raced at least 35 - 40 times a year and that was his only source of income he did not run any 2 a days as trying that might leave him flat for the races, he did say he ran about 12 miles in his hour runs, and felt this training was good because race days were only a little faster than his everyday run.
5. as for sammy wanjiru some will say well the kenyans lie about their age, but wanjiru was a high school student training in japan when he ran a 26:41 for 10k his age was supposedly 18.
Kjell-Erik Ståhl (4th in 1983 WC, 2.10 PB) ran a yearly average of 140 km. He didn´t have time to train more because he was working 60 hours/week as a telecommunications engineer (and some people call Brian Sell a "blue collar runner").
1) Steve Jones was running significantly more than 80 miles/week. Malmo talked to the dude as he can confirm. It was more like 100miles/week in the build-up.
3) Grete Waitz' long runs were certainly longer than 12 miles and her mileage around 100 in her prep for a marathon.
I can provide details (in norwegian, however) about her training. Norwegian coaches have discussed her training
in detail as well as that of Ingrid Kristiansen.
2), 4), and 5) I dunno.
Cheers,
A dude
"3. grete waitz said the longest run she ever did before her marathon debut at new york in which she broke the world record
was 12 miles."
Grete Waitz was the person who got me to start doing doubles in high school.
She spoke at the running camp I attended and encouraged everyone to run doubles. Just because she didn't run a long run before running her first marathon doesn't mean she should be used as an example of low-mileage works. She certainly didn't run low mileage.
China Star wrote:
According to IAAF article, 2:05 Marathoner Sammy Wanjiru of Kenya trains an average of 120 KILOMETERS weekly.
That should read, "according to a TYPO in an IAAF article."
Do you people always respond to one typo that way?
Yet another example of an elite runner who runs well under 100 miles per week, but the letsrun community again insists that he must not count his easy miles, his warmup/cooldown miles, or must be so retarded that he underestimates his mileage by at least 50 or so. Sammy Wanjiru's real average: 130 miles/week. Thank you letsrun for clarifying.
escargot wrote:
a dude wrote:probably not counting his morning runs - "to open the lungs".
could be 5*6 miles for another 50km/week.
It seems forgotten that Lydiard recommended such morning runs, and that he didn't count them in his training. They were above and beyond his 100 miles/wk - shakeout runs.
stop it! lydiard did not RECOMMEND 100miles/week. He OBSERVED that HIS runners were running their best at the same time when they were running 10 HOURS/week, which for them at 6minute pace was 100miles/week. There is a difference in what I said and what you said.
so predictable wrote:
Yet another example of an elite runner who runs well under 100 miles per week, but the letsrun community again insists that he must not count his easy miles, his warmup/cooldown miles, or must be so retarded that he underestimates his mileage by at least 50 or so. Sammy Wanjiru's real average: 130 miles/week. Thank you letsrun for clarifying.
Yet another Letsrun idiot being fooled by a one sentence typo in a single article.
You're welcome.
Grete told me many years ago that, prior to her first Marathon, her long run was about 12-13 miles. She laughed and said she wasn't sure if it was smart to try a Marathon.
But she ran fast distance almost all the time. Often, in Oslo in the winter, she said she literally got up early to "follow the snow plows", and beat the morning traffic.
She did more mileage later in her career for sure.
Ron Clarke was another who didn't count his morning mileage. 5 to 7 miles in the morning, 5 to 6 days a week,
which he didn't add into his weekly mileage of 75 to 85.
He said his morning runs were just another "health session", like all the rest of the joggers.