Since he already had the A standard?
Since he already had the A standard?
Uh, I don't know, maybe because it was a race and he wanted to run a fast time?
63 is not that fast for any of those guys. Everyone else went out really slow.
Because that was the orders from Alberto. The fact that he had the A standard in no way made him a higher priority than one of Alberto's boys.
My guess was to pull Goucher along, however Goucher did not go with Vaughn.
Orders from the swoosh wrote:
Because that was the orders from Alberto. The fact that he had the A standard in no way made him a higher priority than one of Alberto's boys.
You really think this is some great big conspiracy? Haha! It's as simple as this. The guy wanted to go to the olympics. He figured his best shot was a fast consistent pace. That's what he excells best at and had the confidence to carry a pace he knew he could handle. He figured some guys without the A might help him. Unfortunately their sack never dropped.
With a bum ankle and remembering Curtis' last lap at NCAA's, he didn't want it to come down to the last lap or two again. Gamble that didn't pay off, but at least he raced like he wanted one of those three spots.
Pope T-Bag II wrote:
You really think this is some great big conspiracy?
No I don't believe it was a "big conspiracy". I do believe that Alberto wanted someone other than his athletes to set an early pace. I believe that he even went so far as to ask some other coaches if their athletes were willing to do this job. I believe that eventually he had to settle with Vaughn who was running his first meet as a Nike athlete. NO BIG CONSPIRACY. Just a typical expectation for the new kid in the fold.
That's a really good call. He was probably the favorite to win NCAAs and he got outkicked by Curtis (and Pifer as well?). And he proved at Stanford that he can run with Lagat in a fast race. I think the men's 5000m was my biggest disappointment of the trials. It's crazy to me that with so many good runners without the A standard that the race wouldn't be more gutsy all around.
Orders from the swoosh wrote:
No I don't believe it was a "big conspiracy". I do believe that Alberto wanted someone other than his athletes to set an early pace. I believe that he even went so far as to ask some other coaches if their athletes were willing to do this job. I believe that eventually he had to settle with Vaughn who was running his first meet as a Nike athlete. NO BIG CONSPIRACY. Just a typical expectation for the new kid in the fold.
If this had been the case, then don't you think the Nike athletes without the A-standard would have followed?
NO. I don't believe that all Alberto (who makes the calls for Nike) cares equally for all Nike athletes.
Nike aka Nazi
I'm not trying to defend Alberto. But I can gaurantee you he had nothing to do with Vaughn's start. Why would Goucher express regret in the post race interview that he hadn't worked something out with Brent before the race, that they could have helped each other, or why didn't anyone else go with the pace? Brent had his own plan and everyone else had theirs. Those without the "A" were hoping that some magical monstrous negative split would give them the "A" or were just happy to be there.
Brent probably wouldn't have trusted Alberto's athletes if he had been approached about a deal, but that's another matter.
logans run wrote:
That's a really good call. He was probably the favorite to win NCAAs and he got outkicked by Curtis (and Pifer as well?). And he proved at Stanford that he can run with Lagat in a fast race. I think the men's 5000m was my biggest disappointment of the trials. It's crazy to me that with so many good runners without the A standard that the race wouldn't be more gutsy all around.
How true. Look at the contrast between some runners..
On one side, those like Vaughn, Shalane Flanagan, Kara Goucher, Amy Begley, Anthony Famiglietti, Ari Lambie, and Adam Goucher (10k).
On the other, Chris Solinsky, every girl in the 1500 without the A, Molly Huddle, Alan Webb, and Adam Goucher (5k).
The first group was, for the most part aside from Vaughn and Lambie, simply ready to go. They were confident in their training, and rightly so, and pretty much ran their own races. Those that didn't have the stuff at least took their shot at the only tactics that would have taken them to Beijing.
The others just seemed to have a lot of fear. They all wanted to be in Beijing but it was almost like they weren't going to work for it. As if they were all hoping for the perfect circumstances where somehow they'd be one of the only ones with something left at the end.
I think it's the trials system that breeds this fear. Maybe it doesn't matter -- those who are fittest are the ones who control the race anyway, and they are the ones who put down the times that would get them chosen for the team subjectively.
he went out fast so it wouldn't be another NCAA
Going out slow at NCAA produced a 13:39.
Going out fast at the Olympic Trials produced a 13:39.
Didn't really matter how the race played out.
vaughn made one mistake. he moved too quickly! when I watched it the second time, it was obvious that nobody who didn't already know that he was going to get out front so far could have covered him. by the time they figured out what he was doing, he had quite a lead, and no one wanted to use the kind of energy required to catch up to him. I doubt any of the runners who needed the standard were expecting someone to drop the pace in the first 200 meters. if he had waited a lap or so, then he might have had company. of course, the team would be the same anyway in all likelihood, just maybe with some faster times.
Simple, he had no confidence that he could kick with those athletes; he hoped that he could get away from them and they might let him go!!!
Ist mile was about 4:20, but then pace lagged to 4:30 2nd mile. Would have been interesting if teamate Pifer had helped with the pace.
The Freemasons, from their center of global control in Boulder, sent word down to alcolyte BV that he was to setup AG for an Olympic A time. This was confirmed by reigning senior guild members AS and MW
The Fed and BIS concurred....it was preordained....