Interesting Haile Gebrselassie training thread on Dyestat

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I appreciate the effort, but you adjusted the paces and not the distances. You should have converted the distance of 120 mpw to the 6950/5000 ration so you should be running whatever that comes out to at the adjusted paces. Also the workouts are not correct

The distances are based off of time, a run that took 25k to complete at X effort is converted to time.

I like the idea of this, but why aren't the 10km easy runs converted?

the ethiopians keep their training very secret. I wouldn't put too much stock into what the article says.

good idea

traxor wrote:

I appreciate the effort, but you adjusted the paces and not the distances. You should have converted the distance of 120 mpw to the 6950/5000 ration so you should be running whatever that comes out to at the adjusted paces. Also the workouts are not correct

hold up, this isn't my work. I don't want to steal credit for it. It's just a thread that i saw on dyestat yesterday. It's like 3 pages long, so maybe someone else addressed the orginal poster's adjustment mistakes in the pages of the replies.

anyone wanna convert this for a 15 min 5k?

Doesn't Geb train in Addis? If this is the case, and assuming you are at sea level, you need to make an ~8000 foot altitude adjustment. This is very nontrivial.

If you're only a 17min 5k runner on 96mpw you need to sort out your life

Steve Underwood (steveu) said on DyeStat after the 2000 Olympics in Sydney that Gebrselassie was past his prime. Funny thing is it's probably not the dumbest thing the guy ever wrote on there.

A young male distance runner should be able to break 17 minutes on 20 miles per week.

sub 16 on 35 mpw

sub 15 on 50 mpw

mileage is important for sure, but it is way over rated by many letsrunners.

rememberer wrote:

Steve Underwood (steveu) said on DyeStat after the 2000 Olympics in Sydney that Gebrselassie was past his prime. Funny thing is it's probably not the dumbest thing the guy ever wrote on there.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything else on this thread, but I agree with the guy who said that Geb was past his prime, at least in the standard track events, by late 2000. Same with Tergat. Geb's a string of losses at 10,000 meters, from 2001 on, bears out that assessment, especially since he has repeatedly been outkicked by guys who almost certainly could not have matched his top-end finishing speed of earlier years.

wellnow wrote:

A young male distance runner should be able to break 17 minutes on 20 miles per week.

sub 16 on 35 mpw

sub 15 on 50 mpw

What do you mean by "should" in this context? Are you saying that there is something physiologically, spiritually, morally, or mentally wrong with a guy who can't run these times on this mileage? Are you suggesting that anyone who can't do this should quit the sport? Where did you get these figures? I would love to hear an explanation for this set of statements.

You want me to explain my statements? simple, I believe that if you are a young distance runners who is serious about improving your times, then concentrate on running a fast 800m

This applies whether you are good or bad at that distance, since being good at 800 or bad at 800 are both good reasons to improve.

Racing the 800 is the perfect way to improve stride length, which is essential if you want to be good at longer distances. A good 800 does not require high mileage or even medium mileage.

Before moving up to higher mileage, it makes sense to get more out of yourself on lower mileage.

Do you think that Gebreselassie was running high mileage before he learned how to run fast? That is not how the fastest runners progress. When they are kids they do lots of short sprints like most of us did, but then they progressed gradually from that.

High mileage for a young male 17 minute runner is illogical in my view.

Haile ran 12 miles a day of slow mileage for his entire childhood..what the hell are you talking about? Furthermore, you are saying that everyone should be able to run sub 15 on 50 miles a week? What a joke!! There is NO wy in hell any but the very most talented (potential sub 14 guy) can do that on such little mileage. I had no one on my team under 15 and everyone was running more than 50 miles and some were able to run 4:12 miles!

wellnow wrote:

You want me to explain my statements? simple, I believe that if you are a young distance runners who is serious about improving your times, then concentrate on running a fast 800m

This applies whether you are good or bad at that distance, since being good at 800 or bad at 800 are both good reasons to improve.

Racing the 800 is the perfect way to improve stride length, which is essential if you want to be good at longer distances. A good 800 does not require high mileage or even medium mileage.

Based on your response, I'm just going to have to conclude that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm just saying that mileage is important but way over rated.

If mileage was the most important factor in training, then America would be a feared nation in distance running.

Speed endurance is the most important factor. Mileage only trains the slow twitch muscle fibers, and even then you don't need a lot of mileage to run a fast 5000m

Avocados Number wrote:

wellnow wrote:

You want me to explain my statements? simple, I believe that if you are a young distance runners who is serious about improving your times, then concentrate on running a fast 800m

This applies whether you are good or bad at that distance, since being good at 800 or bad at 800 are both good reasons to improve.

Racing the 800 is the perfect way to improve stride length, which is essential if you want to be good at longer distances. A good 800 does not require high mileage or even medium mileage.

Based on your response, I'm just going to have to conclude that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can be in denial all you want, you can't change the fact that fast runners do a lot of fast running when they are young.