this will even solve water shortage!
That's the breakthru we've been looking for !
Now we just need to find enough water to run those cars.
I hope to see Toyota and Honda produce that H20 car soon.
It can run off of ocean water so you don't have to use drinking water to run it
break thru wrote:
Now we just need to find enough water to run those cars.
We've got oceans full of the stuff. At 80K per liter, I don't think it would put much strain on the water supply. Since the car can run on ocean water, we wouldn't even have to sacrifice drinkable water to fuel the car.
The question is whether or not the technology could be mass produced at a reasonable price. I'd be curious to know what kind of price tag something like that would carry.
Plenty of H2O wrote:
It can run off of ocean water so you don't have to use drinking water to run it
But then we will need Global Warming to raise the oceans' level as we drain them.
It's all a vicious circle you see.
Along the same lines, a buddy of mine converted his car last year to run on vegetable oil.
He gets used vegetable oil from McDonalds (which would have to pay to have it hauled away) and basically drives for free.
Here's an article about it:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Savinganddebt/Saveonacar/P115218.asp
or google "greasecar"
make a plan to build a nat'l rail, subway, tram system like they have in japan, then you can go anywhere without a car.
the main terminals in the big cities pass thru trains and are very efficient.
europe has a very good system yet is in need of a massive upgrade. for instance, they know they made a huge mistake over 100 years ago and terminating the lines in every big city main station. it would cost a fortune to rebuild each terminal, tearing up huge swatches of every major european city.
for cars, migrate to H20 cars, LiON cars, and old NiMH Hybrids. get rid of SUVs and trucks, for all but commercial use.
start to design housing and workplaces around rail centers and subway stations. the old freeway system is a thing of the past, no longer will people be able to drive 20 miles to work each day. that model is dead.
In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
plan plan plan wrote:
make a plan to build a nat'l rail, subway, tram system like they have in japan, then you can go anywhere without a car.
the main terminals in the big cities pass thru trains and are very efficient.
europe has a very good system yet is in need of a massive upgrade. for instance, they know they made a huge mistake over 100 years ago and terminating the lines in every big city main station. it would cost a fortune to rebuild each terminal, tearing up huge swatches of every major european city.
for cars, migrate to H20 cars, LiON cars, and old NiMH Hybrids. get rid of SUVs and trucks, for all but commercial use.
start to design housing and workplaces around rail centers and subway stations. the old freeway system is a thing of the past, no longer will people be able to drive 20 miles to work each day. that model is dead.
OK yeah...and you can not live in a house larger than 1400 square feet, you can not drive to work unless you have a carpool system, you can not drive your car when you want but must get approval from the city governments when you can drive, also only pre-approved vacation locations will be acceptable as you can not drive further than 200 miles in the period of 2 weeks or your car shuts off automatically. Also the government is going to start limiting fast food meals to 1 per person per every 3 days to curve obesiety...
get real...
that's is reality. we can no longer afford to live as before. our lifestyle will change drastically. oil will double or triple in price soon. the new middle classes in china, india, and russia are creating demand for oil and driving up the price. central asia missed the industrial revolution of the 1800's but are catching up quick. look at how the u.s. is doing in iraq, afghanistan, and with colonialism in palestine. the u.s. is being outclassed by central asia at every level. H20 cars are only a transition to a new model, not a solution to the old model.
Renalado Lupez wrote:
OK yeah...and you can not live in a house larger than 1400 square feet, you can not drive to work unless you have a carpool system, you can not drive your car when you want but must get approval from the city governments when you can drive, also only pre-approved vacation locations will be acceptable as you can not drive further than 200 miles in the period of 2 weeks or your car shuts off automatically. Also the government is going to start limiting fast food meals to 1 per person per every 3 days to curve obesiety...
get real...
Improving our railways doesn't imply that we'd be submitting to government rule over all aspects of our lives. If I could reliably get anywhere that I need to go on the rail system, I would willingly and happily never get behind the wheel of a car again. Others would still have the choice to drive, but I certainly would choose not to.
Homer S. wrote:
In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
QFE
Here is an article about it
talks about only being $5000 which seems incredible.
blown away wrote:
Here is an article about it
http://nohardtimes.bloggerunleashed.com/business/genepax-water-power-car-from-japan-exxon-mobile-beware/talks about only being $5000 which seems incredible.
It's a good deal only if the $5K includes the "Mr. Fusion" power unit.
Curiosity wrote:
He gets used vegetable oil from McDonalds (which would have to pay to have it hauled away) and basically drives for free.
The notion of used vegetable oil being free for the taking is a myth. Fryer oil is now a fuel commodity currently worth more than $2.50/gallon. Here's a recent (May 30) article in the NYT about the rise in fryer oil thefts: "As Oil Prices Soar, Restaurant Grease Thefts Rise."
http://tinyurl.com/3uvsrtWill someone please explain this to me because it sounds like a scam? It seems they are saying they can take water, separate hydrogen from the oxygen. Then burn the hydrogen so that it recombines with oxygen to produce water. And somehow in this process energy is gained and not lost as thermodynamics would predict?
warbucks wrote:
The notion of used vegetable oil being free for the taking is a myth. Fryer oil is now a fuel commodity currently worth more than $2.50/gallon. Here's a recent (May 30) article in the NYT about the rise in fryer oil thefts: "As Oil Prices Soar, Restaurant Grease Thefts Rise."
http://tinyurl.com/3uvsrt
That's if you're buying it new. He gets used vegetable oil, then filters it himself. The McDonald's in his town is more than willing for him to haul away their trash.
warbucks wrote:
The notion of used vegetable oil being free for the taking is a myth. Fryer oil is now a fuel commodity currently worth more than $2.50/gallon. Here's a recent (May 30) article in the NYT about the rise in fryer oil thefts: "As Oil Prices Soar, Restaurant Grease Thefts Rise."
http://tinyurl.com/3uvsrt
Curiosity wrote:
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That's if you're buying it new. He gets used vegetable oil, then filters it himself. The McDonald's in his town is more than willing for him to haul away their trash.
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No, it does NOT mean "if you're buying it new". It means used fryer oil - the stuff McDonald's used to let you haul away for free. But now McDonald's and other restaurants are BEING PAID for their used fryer oil... to the tune of $2.50 per gallon. Read the article.
Curiosity wrote:
That's if you're buying it new. He gets used vegetable oil, then filters it himself. The McDonald's in his town is more than willing for him to haul away their trash.
If you can't get to the NYT article, here's the salient passage:
"Outside Seattle, cooking oil rustling has become such a problem that the owners of the Olympia Pizza and Pasta Restaurant in Arlington, Wash., are considering using a surveillance camera to keep watch on its 50-gallon grease barrel. Nick Damianidis, an owner, said the barrel had been hit seven or eight times since last summer by siphoners who strike in the night.
“Fryer grease has become gold,” Mr. Damianidis said. “And just over a year ago, I had to pay someone to take it away.”
Much to the surprise of Mr. Damianidis and many other people, processed fryer oil, which is called yellow grease, is actually not trash. The grease is traded on the booming commodities market. Its value has increased in recent months to historic highs, driven by the even higher prices of gas and ethanol, making it an ever more popular form of biodiesel to fuel cars and trucks.
In 2000, yellow grease was trading for 7.6 cents per pound. On Thursday, its price was about 33 cents a pound, or almost $2.50 a gallon. (That would make the 2,500-gallon haul in the Burger King case worth more than $6,000.)"