I just watched Brent Vaughn's ballsy 5000m @ Stanford online (thanks, FloTrack!) Someone commented on the site that he is now the #2 all-time US American collegian behind only Bill McChesney. That list specifically excludes non-US-born collegians like Henry Rono.
I have Googled extensively, but have yet to locate a "Top Ten" record list of the fastest-ever US collegians in the 5k. Can somebody please point the way?
13:14.80 McChesney 1982
13:15.33 Dobson 2005
13:16.03 Hall 2005
13:18.46 Vaughn 2008
13:19.22 Chapa 1979
13:20.43 McDougal 2007
13:21.0 Lindgren 1964
13:22.6i Salazar 1981
13:24.56 Torres 2003
13:25.19 Luchini 2004
malmo wrote:
13:14.80 McChesney 1982
13:15.33 Dobson 2005
13:16.03 Hall 2005
13:18.46 Vaughn 2008
13:19.22 Chapa 1979
13:20.43 McDougal 2007
13:21.0 Lindgren 1964
13:22.6i Salazar 1981
13:24.56 Torres 2003
13:25.19 Luchini 2004
Eh, some of them are considered outside the collegiate season. But of course semantics only come in to play when they work in your favor, malmo.
malmo wrote:
13:16.03 Hall 2005
No way. Those are the hard times that Ryan always talks about?
Fractured logic wrote:
Eh, some of them are considered outside the collegiate season. But of course semantics only come in to play when they work in your favor, malmo.
Excuse me? It's 2008 and Letsrun is now the arbiter of what constitutes collegiate lists.
malmo wrote:
Fractured logic wrote:Eh, some of them are considered outside the collegiate season. But of course semantics only come in to play when they work in your favor, malmo.
Excuse me? It's 2008 and Letsrun is now the arbiter of what constitutes collegiate lists.
Sure.
malmo,
What's your source? Your date for McChesney is wrong, so I'm wondering where you dug up this info.
source: TrackandFieldNews.com
5000 (AmC).....13:15.77.....Bill McChesney (Oregon).....Eugene, Oregon.....5/16/81
OK,
T&FNews has a bit more, but as mentioned in a posting above, some of these times apparently were not run when the kid was technically a "collegiate" runner, which I guess means after graduation or perhaps after the end of spring semester? Feel free to comment on what constitutes a record being considered "officially collegiate."
13:08.4.....Henry Rono (WaSt).....04/08/78.....*NON-U.S.*
13:15.77.....Bill McChesney (Or).....05/16/81
13:16.98.....Alistair Cragg (Ar).....04/30/04.....*NON-U.S.*
13:19.22.....Rudy Chapa (Or).....04/07/79
13:20.2.....Henry Rono (WaSt).....05/20/78.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.43.....Josh McDougal (Lib).....04/13/07
13:20.4i.....Suleiman Nyambui (UTEP).....02/06/81.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.63.....Sydney Maree (Vill).....06/02/79.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.65.....David Kimani (Al).....04/19/02.....*NON-U.S.*
13:21.0+.....Gerry Lindgren (WaSt).....05/14/66
13:22.17i.....Geoff Smith (Prov).....02/12/82.....*NON-U.S.*
U.S. Additions:
13:22.32.....Ryan Hall (Stan).....06/11/05
13:22.54.....Ian Dobson (Stan).....06/11/05
13:22.6i.....Alberto Salazar (Or).....02/06/81
13:24.56.....Jorge Torres (CO).....05/02/03
13:25.19.....Louis Luchini (Stan).....04/16/04
13:25.38.....Matt Lane (WM).....05/04/01
I'm pretty sure that David Kimani and Cheseret both ran around 13:10-13:12 while still in college. Those should be added to the Non-American list. Although David had almost gotten his citizenship status by the time he died at the end of his college career. He also was married to an American girl that went to my high school.
Joe Falcon? Didnt he run @ 13:20 in college or was that post
He ran that in 1990, the same year as his 3:49 Mile, so I'm guessing it was a few years after college.
David Kimani ran 13:10 in college.
Solinsky ran 13 12 last summer after the NCAA meet. He's still in college but has no more eligibility...
To add to your "US Additions"... Prefontaine ran 13:22.8 as a Jr. in the Trials in '72 - American Record & #4 in the WorldPrefontaine ran 13:23.8 as a SR. vs W. Germany in '73 - (May have been after classes ended...)
RunUpHill wrote:
13:08.4.....Henry Rono (WaSt).....04/08/78.....*NON-U.S.*
13:15.77.....Bill McChesney (Or).....05/16/81
13:16.98.....Alistair Cragg (Ar).....04/30/04.....*NON-U.S.*
13:19.22.....Rudy Chapa (Or).....04/07/79
13:20.2.....Henry Rono (WaSt).....05/20/78.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.43.....Josh McDougal (Lib).....04/13/07
13:20.4i.....Suleiman Nyambui (UTEP).....02/06/81.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.63.....Sydney Maree (Vill).....06/02/79.....*NON-U.S.*
13:20.65.....David Kimani (Al).....04/19/02.....*NON-U.S.*
13:21.0+.....Gerry Lindgren (WaSt).....05/14/66
13:22.17i.....Geoff Smith (Prov).....02/12/82.....*NON-U.S.*
U.S. Additions:
13:22.32.....Ryan Hall (Stan).....06/11/05
13:22.54.....Ian Dobson (Stan).....06/11/05
13:22.6i.....Alberto Salazar (Or).....02/06/81
13:24.56.....Jorge Torres (CO).....05/02/03
13:25.19.....Louis Luchini (Stan).....04/16/04
13:25.38.....Matt Lane (WM).....05/04/01
Obama 2008 wrote:
To add to your "US Additions"...
Prefontaine ran 13:22.8 as a Jr. in the Trials in '72 - American Record & #4 in the World
Prefontaine ran 13:23.8 as a SR. vs W. Germany in '73 - (May have been after classes ended...)
Now you're talking!
What about Robert Cheseret? He ran a 13:13.23 in Oslo on July 29th, 2005. So maybe he deserves to be on the list. He ran this time while he was at the University of Arizona.
I'm guessing Cheseret is not a U.S. citizen, and that's what this thread is about.
Paul Geis 13:23.4 in '74?
Anyone know who Paul Geis was? The name is new to me. Was this time accomplished during his collegiate career?
RunUpHill wrote:
Anyone know who Paul Geis was?
Yes. He still is.