It's true.
If you are running 8 minutes per mile during training, even in Boulder, you will pass a lot of runners. You will *not* be passed very often, yourself.
The ratio is probably 10:1 in favor of passing vs. being passed. That puts an 8 mpm guy in the 90th percentile of Boulder runners.
and you will pass all of the 2:06 japanese marathoners.
or maybe just the sub 2:10 japanese marathoners
You're wrong.
90% of the runners in Boulder can 0wn you.
Naw, for some reason they always run on 28th Street, or anywhere else with exhaust fumes and stoplights. Thus, most runners would never see them during training.
iloverunning824 wrote:
You're wrong.
90% of the runners in Boulder can 0wn you.
Interesting. On what do you base your opinion?
Agreed, not only true in boulder, the same applies in Central Park, and most big cities.
mohamed
in our running store, we had a new guy doing a clinic. Hes like a 16:00 / 33:15 guy and he mentioned a loop and said, well if your going say 8:00 a mile it should take...
he was then interrupted by everyone going "woaaah wayy too fast etc. etc. etc."
I'd imagine that holds true on parts of the Creek Path...
I agree since you are talking about just daily runs not racing. Where I run the only people who ever pass me are the college runners and most of my runs are in the 8 minute range.
This be true. I'm always amazed when I head out there, completely not used to the altitude, and am still running faster than most.
Wow ... impressive that you guys can dominate the Boulder trails by running under 8-min pace. You must be the some of the top runners in town. The Torres bros should snap out of their complacency -- I frequently see them running slow recovery jogs around town. Once they encounter the likes of you they'll know who's boss.
If you pass them in a training run, obviously you're better than them.
Wow, what a revelation! You should publish your findings in the Journal of Applied Physiology.
I think he was just putting things into perspective. We may think 8 minute miles are slow as hell, but the truth of the matter is most of the population (not most of the letsrun readers) can barely manage that even in one of the top places for runners to live, i.e. Boulder.
More than ever, the RW-reading hobby-joggers make up the greatest proportion of "runners" in Boulder. RW kept touting Boulder as the "top running town in America" for so many years that those rich enough to travel to and then relocate to Boulder did so easily. They could afford to live there or out in one of the McMansion suburbs. All you have to do is look at the make-up of the members of Fast-Forward Sports or Bolder Boulder Training Club or Boulder Road Runners or Boulder Striders or Running Republicans of Boulder or the clientele of the Boulder Running Co. to get a true feel for the predominant culture of the running community in Boulder. The elite and sub-elite training groups are barely able to stick together in that environment of self-involved yuppie lifestyle runners. The Slatterys moved away for the lack of support they got from all those so-called runners in that area. It's a tough area to afford for those who want to make their training and racing the main focus in their lives. Runner paupers have been priced out of town by the yuppies and rich college kids and the environment of performance has been eroded by the yuppie RW joggers.
WK wrote:
I think he was just putting things into perspective. We may think 8 minute miles are slow as hell, but the truth of the matter is most of the population (not most of the letsrun readers) can barely manage that even in one of the top places for runners to live, i.e. Boulder.
I don't live in Boulder, but I keep a pace between 7:00 - 7:30. Usually it's closer to 7:30. I'm always feeling like I'm flying (though I'm not) because of how quickly I pass other runners. I'd say that most runners out there are lucky to be running 9:00 pace, if even that. Sometimes I pass folks and want to say, "why even bother, just walk. It would probably be faster...
WK wrote:
I think he was just putting things into perspective. We may think 8 minute miles are slow as hell, but the truth of the matter is most of the population (not most of the letsrun readers) can barely manage that even in one of the top places for runners to live, i.e. Boulder.
Yes, that is the way I read the OP's comment; however, this being Letsrun, I would have been shocked had his comments not been distorted and ridiculed.
where they have it too easy wrote:
They could afford to live there or out in one of the McMansion suburbs. All you have to do is look at the make-up of the members of Fast-Forward Sports or Bolder Boulder Training Club or Boulder Road Runners or Boulder Striders or Running Republicans of Boulder or the clientele of the Boulder Running Co. to get a true feel for the predominant culture of the running community in Boulder.
Having lived in Eugene as well as Boulder (currently in Boulder) i can say this is completely true. Eugene has a community that worships running and training in a sense, at least compared to Boulder. Boulder is really really awesome no doubt, but Boulder is image to most.
The BRRs do not belong in that list, and they are nothing like those other groups. The BRRs are old school runners that have known each other for decades. They also are responsible for marshalling most of the local races, and they know how to do it.