the other day on a run we were discussing what an average college runners times were for D1, D2, and D3. what would you all say for 800, mile, 3k and 5k all on an outdoor track?
the other day on a run we were discussing what an average college runners times were for D1, D2, and D3. what would you all say for 800, mile, 3k and 5k all on an outdoor track?
D1 1:54, 4:12, 8:25, 14:35
D2 1:57, 4:20, 8:40, 15:10
D3 1:58, 4:28, 8:55, 15:50
i assumed there are a lot of walk ons in each division. D3 the most and D2 and D1 respectively.
average wrote:
the other day on a run we were discussing what an average college runners times were for D1, D2, and D3. what would you all say for 800, mile, 3k and 5k all on an outdoor track?
On letsrun, take the response and multiply by 1.03 to get the true average time. Add .005 for every year over 40.
I'd say the Average is 1:57, 4:25, 15:45.
Remember there are a lot of bad D1 distance running schools out there.
That's way too fast - you seem to be only thinking about top-of-the-line programs in each division. I think d1 coach it just about right.
agree with d1 coach regarding the times - but 15:45 might be a bit too generous.
also, I wouldn't call these teams "bad" they just aren't the cream of the crop.
once i ran an indoor race with the flu - i crawled in around 4:40 and wasn't last.
in h.s - this was probably illegal, but who cares, it was over 2 decades ago - i ran unattached in an indoor open mile race with college guys and ran ~4:40 - still wasn't last place their either.
Just pull up some results from college invitationals, and not necessarily PAC-10 or SEC results.
Here, take Northeastern for example. They're Division 1 (I believe), but 2:00 flat for the 800 will be mid-pack at most meets they compete at. Check out some of the results - all are a mix of divisions.
http://www.gonu.com/mtrack/2007/hurricane.htm
http://www.gonu.com/mtrack/2007/nuspringopen.htm
http://www.gonu.com/mtrack/2007/snowflake.htm
http://www.gonu.com/mtrack/2007/floridarelays.htm
Yeah NU is DI. To be fair some of those meets, like the two home meets were kind of cold. But yeah NU is a lower end program when it comes to distance. We have had some bad luck plus a lack of money going in the distance groups direction. The NU athletic director has said that they are working on getting more scholarships into the programs though so the future is looking good.
disagreer wrote:
They're Division 1 (I believe), but 2:00 flat for the 800 will be mid-pack at most meets they compete at.
2:00 flat for the 800 will be mid-pack at most meets in which they compete.
so ... let me know when a 1:50 guys gets a job "running" after college. till then - run 2:04, 2:00, 1:57 whatever - enjoy life, enjoy running in college and don't be so damn uptight about it!the u.s. needs a club system like in europe. this will probably happen soon enough though.
yuck wrote:
disagreer wrote:They're Division 1 (I believe), but 2:00 flat for the 800 will be mid-pack at most meets they compete at.
2:00 flat for the 800 will be mid-pack at most meets in which they compete.
sergio wrote:
D1 1:54, 4:12, 8:25, 14:35
D2 1:57, 4:20, 8:40, 15:10
D3 1:58, 4:28, 8:55, 15:50
i assumed there are a lot of walk ons in each division. D3 the most and D2 and D1 respectively.
Avg?? are you kidding me. There are FEW D1 programs that avg a 14:35 for a track 5k. And there are many D3 programs that have NOBODY under 15:50. Please, somebody else agree with me that these times are fast for being the average.
A d1 coach wrote:
I'd say the Average is 1:57, 4:25, 15:45.
Remember there are a lot of bad D1 distance running schools out there.
I think this is much much more accurate.
I was an average DI runner
1:57, 4:14, 8:26
If you want an "average" DI runner, just take the Men's Cross Country Regional races, look at who places right in the middle of the pack and look up their PR's. Then you will find the "average" Division I runner. I will do this later when I have more time.
GR wrote:
If you want an "average" DI runner, just take the Men's Cross Country Regional races, look at who places right in the middle of the pack and look up their PR's. Then you will find the "average" Division I runner. I will do this later when I have more time.
WRONG! this is average for a top 7 guy on the team. Most teams have 15+ guys on the team. This needs to be taken into consideration. If you do what GR has prescribed above, you will find out what the average 3rd or 4th best guy on the team runs.. NOT an avg. DI runner.
its early, who cares wrote:
sergio wrote:D1 1:54, 4:12, 8:25, 14:35
D2 1:57, 4:20, 8:40, 15:10
D3 1:58, 4:28, 8:55, 15:50
i assumed there are a lot of walk ons in each division. D3 the most and D2 and D1 respectively.
Avg?? are you kidding me. There are FEW D1 programs that avg a 14:35 for a track 5k. And there are many D3 programs that have NOBODY under 15:50. Please, somebody else agree with me that these times are fast for being the average.
I'll agree with you. I coached DI and DIII, and can tell you that the median (aka "average") DI runner--counting *all* DI programs and *all* their competitors--would probably be slower than the times that sergio listed for DI.
A kid who had the times sergio listed for DIII could walk on to the majority of DI programs in this country. As others have said, people just don't understand how many lightweight DI programs there are.
And don't even get me started on DI women. In some cases schools are crying to get as many women as possible on their teams (to make the athletic dept's overall proportionality-by-sex work out, for Title IX purposes). Thirteen-minute 3000m times are not unheard of.
adding insult to the already injured egos.
if you have 5 guys who can run 5:00 pace on the same day for 10k in xc ... well i will let you figure out the result at ncaa d-1 nats.
Based on the following sample size, the average NCAA Division I Cross Country Runner is a Freshman that has the talent level of 1600m in @ 4:30 and 3200m in @ 9:40. Typically, the average NCAA Division I Cross Country runner will be the 3-4th man on the team, placing an average of 72nd place at an NCAA Regional 10,000m race in a time of 32:44 (@ 5:15 pace).
NCAA Division I West Region
87th Place, Sawyer Bosch (Boise State), 32:24
2nd Man on 17th Place Team
FR - 4:25/15:33 in HS; 7th at WAC in 23:58
NCAA Division I South Central Region
52nd Place, Jeff Sadler (Baylor), 32:04
4th Man on 6th Place Team
FR - 4:32/9:34/15:21 in HS
NCAA Division I Mountain Region
52nd Place, Cameron Levins (Southern Utah), 32:30
2nd Man on 12th Place Team
FR - Canadian
NCAA Division I South Region
67th Place, George Kapkiai (Jacksonville St.), 33:18
4th Man on 12th Place Team
FR - Kenyan, 1:57.3, 4:01.1, 15:25, 25:40
NCAA Division I Great Lakes Region
102nd Place, Cory Arnold (Central Michigan), 33:24
5th Man on 12th Place Team
FR - 4:32/9:44; ran 26:25 at Great American
GR wrote:
NCAA Division I West Region
87th Place, Sawyer Bosch (Boise State), 32:24
2nd Man on 17th Place Team
FR - 4:25/15:33 in HS; 7th at WAC in 23:58
Ha that's funny I went to high school half a mile down the road from this kid. he went 15 flat and 8:33 indoors this year. I guess there really are some powderpuff D1 schools out there. How about a different question, what is the average 800, mile, 5k time for a guy on a team that made it to XC nationals. (say there are 25 guys in a program, what is the 12th guys time)
For an example, here is the University of Florida, a traditional powerhouse in all events from the Sprints to the Jumps to the Distances.
Division I teams may have 25 guys on an ENTIRE team, not on the distance squad. Most rosters have 12-18 guys running distance.
So, 5th guy over 800m is 1:57; 10th guy is 4:26 in the Mile; 10th guy is 8:57 over 3000m.