i know he has used the "blue collar" mentality to toughen him up and everything, but it seems like hes at the point where he could sign a legit contract with like nike or asics, quit working at home depot, and put everything into running for the next 9 months. any thouhts?
That would be a nice way to show his appreciation for the program/brand that has helped to develop him.
Seems like what he's doing is working pretty well and that he's putting as much "into running" as can be put.
But what would you consider a "legit" contract? Among the various legit contracts that are now available to Brian Sell from the likes of nike and asics, how do they compare, financially and otherwise with the contract or contracts he already has in place? Is Brian aware that you are available to act as his agent?
Seems like the setup he has now is working pretty well. That's only if you think "pretty well" is making the Olympic team. I would think Brooks/Saturn has some nice incentives for making it to the Olympics. Dance with the one that brought you, young man.
if it aint broke, don't fix it.
I'm guessing he made some nice pocket change with his performance on Saturday. And as far as the Home Depot thing goes, I think people read way too much into that. I'm sure one reason he works there is because of the incentives they offer to Olympic athletes and he picks up some additional income, which is nice, but I also think a lot of it has to do with the fact personality-wise he seems to enjoy working and likes to keep busy. Even if he had a so called big-time contract -- although he probably does pretty well for himself -- I could see him still working another job during some of his downtime.
outlaw wrote:
if it aint broke, don't fix it.
It almost was completely broken. This is a guy who just one week ago was talking about quitting running to become a dentist if he didn't make the US team. And let's face it, he didn't make the US team because he set international marathoning on fire; Hall is the guy who did that. The only reason Sell is not now out of the sport because he didn't make that team is because Meb, Abdi, and Khalid had injury problems.
That is what loyalty can get you if it's a one way street.
Sell might not want to leave his family, move to Mammoth Lakes and live at altitude like the people in the US faster than him (when healthy) have done. He might not want to do the workouts that Vigil/Mahon use, so the comment Bob Kennedy made about American runners not wanting to leave their comfort zone may apply here.
But my impression is that Hansons have gotten much more out of Sell than the other way around.
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Dance with the one that brought you
what brung ya
Coach D wrote:
outlaw wrote:if it aint broke, don't fix it.
It almost was completely broken. This is a guy who just one week ago was talking about quitting running to become a dentist if he didn't make the US team. And let's face it, he didn't make the US team because he set international marathoning on fire; Hall is the guy who did that. The only reason Sell is not now out of the sport because he didn't make that team is because Meb, Abdi, and Khalid had injury problems.
That is what loyalty can get you if it's a one way street.
Sell might not want to leave his family, move to Mammoth Lakes and live at altitude like the people in the US faster than him (when healthy) have done. He might not want to do the workouts that Vigil/Mahon use, so the comment Bob Kennedy made about American runners not wanting to leave their comfort zone may apply here.
But my impression is that Hansons have gotten much more out of Sell than the other way around.
Typically negative post from a douche like you, what else could be expected? Congratulations on being the first to try to put a negative spin on making the olympic team.
You sound like one of he 18 minute 5k guys that Brian laughed at on this board years ago. Brian ran the perfect race to beat those athlete that are more tlented than he is. Brian does not need a change. Meb and Abdi who both were running 10k races in September need a change. Why were they not healthy. I say poor direction. Brian is on a perfect course.
Vigil was coaching 2 athletes on Saturday. Ryan Shay and Brandon Leslie. I certainly hope that Brian doesn't utilize that kind of coaching.
In 2004 mens trials he was working with Ryan Shay and Eddie Hellybuck. Not very good results there either.
So what you're saying is that the only reason Sell is in the Olympics is because many of the runners with really good coaches were injured?
Interesting.
Please share with us the amount of money he is currently making with Hanson's, Home Depot, Brooks, and Saturn. I assume that you know, right?Wasn't there something about a guarantee of at least $100k for running sub 2:11? Also, for those still talking about him leaving running for dentistry, don't you think it is possible that the media sources are playing that part up more since it makes the story more interesting? He might have said that once and all other interviewers bring it up every time there is an article on him. Surprising enough not everything in an interview is what was said by the person.
stuntman wrote:
i know he has used the "blue collar" mentality to toughen him up and everything, but it seems like hes at the point where he could sign a legit contract with like nike or asics, quit working at home depot, and put everything into running for the next 9 months. any thouhts?
Coach D wrote:
outlaw wrote:if it aint broke, don't fix it.
But my impression is that Hansons have gotten much more out of Sell than the other way around.
Agreed
Take this scenario. Dan Browne does not cramp up, finishes 3rd. Sell is 4th. Quits running for dentistry. How does your assessment of the Hanson's program and their success rate change? Same outcome could happen with Meb and Abdi having better days, and don't even start with the notion that Meb's coaching (the same that brought him the silver medal) was responsible, or was inferior to Sell's.
Not to diss Sell or the program, as I'm sure the association has done wonders for Sell's training. However, I'd agree that Hanson's has benefitted even more from the situation, as so much of the luster of their reputation is due to the "blue collar" Sell competing with the country's best.
I would say that is the case with most elite runners. Vigil has been a miserable failure in the marathon if you take his best marathoner out of the mix (Deena).
Last week everyone thought that Sell should move to a coach that would get him on an Olympic Team. I guess that was a stupid argument too.
Broken arrows wrote:
You sound like one of he 18 minute 5k guys that Brian laughed at on this board years ago. Brian ran the perfect race to beat those athlete that are more tlented than he is. Brian does not need a change. Meb and Abdi who both were running 10k races in September need a change. Why were they not healthy. I say poor direction. Brian is on a perfect course.
Vigil was coaching 2 athletes on Saturday. Ryan Shay and Brandon Leslie. I certainly hope that Brian doesn't utilize that kind of coaching.
In 2004 mens trials he was working with Ryan Shay and Eddie Hellybuck. Not very good results there either.
You forgot about the Vigil athlete that won the race.
Sell works at home depot so all the people who come on here and complain they can't run 80mpw with a full time job because of the demands..will take their voices elsewhere...
the HD program is solid, they get FT benefits for 20/hrs wk and can work them as time permits..so he'll be working 35+/hrs a week for a bit while he recovers after NY...still for working 20/hrs week he makes another 30k or so if they pay in line with other HD peoples..12-15/hr..he also gets a 401k etc..so a nice way to put some $ in the bank to not pay for dental school loans etc and set up the kids college account while chasing the dream...
Ryan Hall is not and has never been coached by Vigil. Terence is his coach. It is disrespectful to Terence to say differently.
Meb has had one coach since he entered college and that is Coach Larsen.
Vigil is a very nice old grandpa figure that has only coached one successful marathoner. He has never coached a marathoner as fast as Sell or Ritz or Khalid or even Gilmore or Cabada.
Scenario wrote:
Take this scenario. Dan Browne does not cramp up, finishes 3rd. Sell is 4th. Quits running for dentistry. How does your assessment of the Hanson's program and their success rate change? Same outcome could happen with Meb and Abdi having better days, and don't even start with the notion that Meb's coaching (the same that brought him the silver medal) was responsible, or was inferior to Sell's.
No, take this scenario: Dan Browne cramped up. That's the bottom line. He ran too fast for too long and his body couldn't take it. Dan Browne couldn't take the pace, but Brian Sell could. That's why Sell is going to the Olympics.
The same thing goes for every other runner that didn't make the top 3. They weren't fast enough. You can argue forever that So-and-so has more talent, has accomplished more, but the bottom line is, Brian Sell beat them when it counted. No other argument holds up to reality.
You know, 4th and 3rd in the last two marathon trials is a pretty good record. Who here thinks that Sell (with a 5000m best of 13:59i) would have done as well without Hansons?