If any of you still think Michael Johnson was clean

When he was inducted into the T&F Hall of Fame I was inducted at the same time. After giving my speech I was escorted upstairs to a room where Michael Johnson was sitting, having already finished his induction speech. As I approached him I noticed a small smudge of chocolate at the side of his mouth. There was a box of chocolates on the table and it was obvious to me that he had eaten a chocolate and a smudge was still on his mouth. THAT is about as unclean as Michael Johnson ever got.

He had a great coach and worked very hard to honor that coach by winning two impossible events. He was clean.

Myself, on the other hand, sit with my head in my hands weeping over and over again, WHY WHY. There were drugs that would have caused my squeeky voice to become lower and I didn't even know they were there. Why was I so left out? I will have this high squeeky voice forever.

Gerry wrote:

There were drugs that would have caused my squeeky voice to become lower and I didn't even know they were there. Why was I so left out? I will have this high squeeky voice forever.

Gerry, there are all kinds of drugs that could probably help you. Still.

Yeah, his logic in that piece was pretty flawed. He started off by saying that the tests are unreliable and don't catch everyone, but then tries to exonerate himself by saying that he never tested positive.

I saw pictures of him recently. It's like Barry Bonds in reverse.

This is a natural physique?

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=329

Looks a good deal more doped than:

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=2892

(Ben started using in 1982, so he had been doping for four years by the time this pic was taken)

Hmmm hmm hmm wrote:

This is a natural physique?

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=329

Looks a good deal more doped than:

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics-heroes/displayhero.asp?HeroID=2892

(Ben started using in 1982, so he had been doping for four years by the time this pic was taken)

What an impressive and comprehensive bit of PED research you've done there. How can anyone question it?

check out how naive skuj (hero) is.

49th+ wrote:

http://tnfnorth.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1192058632&page=1

check out how naive skuj (hero) is.

Great stuff on Khannouchi.

If you are in fact the real Gerry then I feel very sorry for you as a person.

I've no more idea than you whether or not he doped, but your reading of the piece is frankly rather disingenuous.

Outside of this board, which is hardly representative, I would say yes, compared to other athletes at his level. Without any basis of the accusations beyond his performance though, does it really matter how many?

This is pretty much what he says too, so not sure what your point is.

This is the point of the article, please try to understand it.

Admittedly this is poorly written. I guess he meant that no one with any authority had accused him.

You've not really added much to the debate here have you?

i'm told that it's common knowledge on the circuit that MJ was on EPO

Gerry Lindgren, I hope. One of the earliest and best. I come from your era. Michael Johnson, like Edwin Moses, and yourself, are three of the greatest, cleanest, and above all, believers in the you can't fool yourself theory. If I ran 14.6, I put down 14.6, not 15. Gerry live long and prosper.

The strong anti-drug stance nowdays appears more likley to be someone deflecting attention away from themselves than actually endorsing the anti-drug view. e.g. Marion Jones - "I would never use performance enhancing drugs."

The fact that Marion Jones never failed a drugs test during the age where it was perceived from the general public point of view that drugs cheats would be eventually be caught has been completely destroyed. Any credibilty they once enjoyed has evaporated despite testing improving significantly.

The only question which now remains is "How many top performers were on drugs but never tested positive?". Were only the really stupid ones ever caught?

Australia has one of the most advanced sports institutes in the world and they were unable to catch drug cheats like Jones at their own Olympics. What chance does an athletics federation in Kenya stand?

I don't know why people insist on continually debating whether retired athletes were doped. It's pointless. It's like debating the existence of God, or who killed Kennedy. You're never going to prove anything conclusively either way beyond a reasonable doubt, so why waste your time. It all just comes down to what you believe.

So that folks like you SVC can come in and set us all straight!! Some folks still have character, which is what you do when no one is looking

marijuologist wrote:

i'm told that it's common knowledge on the circuit that MJ was on EPO

by whom

Ed Whitlock Fan wrote:

So that folks like you SVC can come in and set us all straight!! Some folks still have character, which is what you do when no one is looking

Oh no. You are too modest. It isn't SVC setting us all straight, it's you, EWF. It's YOU. Giving us the real life lesson on character.

You can't buy stuff like this folks. Priceless lessons. Simply priceless.

So retroactive speculation based on pictorial evidence and the parsing of someone's words from an interview = character? Funny, I thought character encompasses not only what you do when no one is looking, but also how you treat other people. Accusing someone of being a drug cheat without evidence doesn't sound like something a someone of quality character would do. But, hey, maybe that's just me.

Oh, great, now you've sucked me back into the debate. Bastard.

Since when is Trevor Graham coaching Kenyans?

i am told wrote:

by whom

by an acquaintance of mine who is a legit insider. but the last time I dropped his name on here, it got back to him and he didn't talk to me for months.