The Shorter The Race Distance, The More Running Sessions Per Week!!!

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PSH wrote:

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Um...no! :)

My message to you: Discuss.

hey, when you get some guy running sub-205 marathons using some training method OTHER than that of Haile G., Tergat and the rest of the greats.........YOU LET US KNOW.

"i train twice a day, every day..." - Haile G.

ok, so it seems to me that what you're doing here is guessing on some sort of guiding principles of training based on a few observations that may or may not tell the whole story.

it's kind of like me saying "well, instead of baking these cookies for 20 min. @ 300 deg. like it says in the cookbook, couldn't i just get away with 10 min. @ 600 deg.? or even 5 min. @ 1200 deg.?"

.......d'you see what i'm getting at?

skiziks wrote:

hey, when you get some guy running sub-205 marathons using some training method OTHER than that of Haile G., Tergat and the rest of the greats.........YOU LET US KNOW.

"i train twice a day, every day..." - Haile G.

Let's talk about Geb's training for the Marathon, shall we? Please link me to this quote, and his training info.

Thanks.

snorbert wrote:

ok, so it seems to me that what you're doing here is guessing on some sort of guiding principles of training based on a few observations that may or may not tell the whole story.

it's kind of like me saying "well, instead of baking these cookies for 20 min. @ 300 deg. like it says in the cookbook, couldn't i just get away with 10 min. @ 600 deg.? or even 5 min. @ 1200 deg.?"

.......d'you see what i'm getting at?

Well, couldn't I? :)

What kind of cookies? Do you see what I'm getting at?

Skuj,

If you were have seen the 'quote of the day' when Geb set the new WR... you would see it.... actually, it's still on the main page.

the full quote is "i train twice a day, every day, except xmas and sundays"... seems reasonable as sunday LONG RUN DAY.

i mean i still train on xmas... i guess i'm geb version 2.0

See now that's why you aren't running 2:05- that Xmas run!- if you trained like Geb and didn't run on Xmas you'd probably have set the WR by now! :D

I think there are some out there that would agree with your statement, Tinman possibly being one of them. He believes many marathoners would fare better cutting back from the mega mileage 140+ and focus on getting in 2 Big Workouts a week. 2 to 3 hour single runs with quality. Lower mileage on your easy days...

I really just want to know; how does one pronounce "Skuj."

I guess what I'm trying to say is, is it like spooge with a K?

I'm gonna go w/"Active Recovery" being the reason for a short second daily run. Sometimes AR can be more effective than couch recovery.

Skuj wrote:

I believe that marathon WR holders of the future will be one-run-a-day people.

This is an absolutely moronic statement. You obviously know nothing of training theory or human physiology.

Disgust.

Skuj wrote:

Let's talk about Geb's training for the Marathon, shall we? Please link me to this quote, and his training info.

Thanks.

I've read the interview where Geb says that as well. I seem to recall seeing it on the BBC Athletics website a few years back. Not sure where exactly but he definitely did say that.

I think it's the other way around. I don't of any elite sprinters running twice a day, but most elites from 1500m on up ( including marathoners ) do.

At the next workout where you meet with them, tell everyone you coach to slap themselves repeatedly.

Dan Moriarity wrote:

I think it's the other way around. I don't of any elite sprinters running twice a day, but most elites from 1500m on up ( including marathoners ) do.

Most elite sprinters train multiple times per day.

Name the sprinter putting in 12-14 runs a week. If you can name ONE, that will be the one taking more roids the Ben and Regina. They CAN'T, because the load on the nervous system is too high.

There is an article on Maurice Greene in the August issue of Muscle and Fitness. Read it. HSI actually has 4-5 running sessions a week, with many weeks of M-T-Th-F and weekends off. Ben on steroids had 3 hard sessions and 3 easier sessions a week--and according to Charlie Francis' books, his average high intensity volume in his best year was 1500 METERS per week ON STEROIDS. If you add in the weight sessions (which tears sprinters down more than the track), there will be 7-10 TRAINING sessions a week for the top people.

The high intensity volume that average sprinters can tolerate is around 300 METERS per session. For 10.2 and faster, it is more like double that. Ato Boldon's logs show sessions like 300m of speed AND 600m of special endurance, but nobody is really doing more than 1000m of speed in one session unless they want to get slower. The Clyde Hart guys in the 400 only are doing maybe 10-15 mpw in season at slower pace than Mo and Asafa.

Get your facts straight before drawing conclusions. World class sprinters have many fewer running sessions than world class distance runners although the number of HARD running sessions might be about the same.

CTC wrote:

I guess what I'm trying to say is, is it like spooge with a K?

Yeah, that's it. Like Skooj.