Why is it racist to say that blacks are faster than whites?

Good post. BTW, I have made myself the self-appointed critic of all letsrun posts.

kartelite wrote:

And please don't write "noone" ever again.

For your next trick are you going to tell him not to use "olde" or "shoppe"? Just messin' with ya...

And then the did a program on the same topic on National t.v. I think it was NBC. Plus I think the guy on Real Sports for HBO did something along the same lines.

is isn't racist. it's wrong. warriner, mottram, alan webb win races. generally speaking, the people who work the hardest, have the best work ethic, etc. are the fastest, the best in any sport.

also, the human genome project has proved there is no 'race' per se, that 'race' is a myth. external factors such as skin color are just 1 attribute in 100,000. humans in spite of exterior appearence, are more that 99.99% the same everywhere.

human bilology wrote:

also, the human genome project has proved there is no 'race' per se, that 'race' is a myth. external factors such as skin color are just 1 attribute in 100,000. humans in spite of exterior appearence, are more that 99.99% the same everywhere.

truly, this notion is born more out of political correctness than scientific rigor....... the genome scientists 'found' what the world wanted them to find... race exists, and this is intuitively obvious to anyone who approaches the subject without a dogmatic, unthoughtful reverse-racist agenda

human bilology wrote:

is isn't racist. it's wrong. warriner, mottram, alan webb win races. generally speaking, the people who work the hardest, have the best work ethic, etc. are the fastest, the best in any sport.

Wow.

Go PRE!!!

the point Iw as trying to make was that with Sprinters, one is only looking at a tiny fraction of the GAussian distribution and thus it is more difficult to make a conclusion on the entire population based on one sliver. With SAT scores, one can look at the entire Gaussian distribution and thus the conculsion hold more signifinance. It is called sampling error. I woul have expected an MS in math to have picked up on this regardless of how it was presented. It seems your "MS" in applied math just means "More S!@#"

there's always resistance to new scientific findings. politics is not a factor in the human genome project. the facts remain unrefutable that there are very few bioligocal / genetic differences in the human species. hurt feelings, remorse, apathy, etc. which our findings have as an impact upon society are unfortunate, but not within the domain, or problem set of geneticists to solve or manage. we leave those issues to others.

If race was a factor then how do you explain Liu Xiang beating the shit out of Terrence Trammel and Allen Johnson all the time ? Whomever works the hardest wins. That true for El G, Bekele, Tyson Gay, Defar, Dibaba, Allyson Felix, Liu Xiang, Jereny Warriner, etc. We're the same race, it's been proven in the lab, already, so cut with the racist theories bullshit.

"Whomever" works the hardest? That's the best shit yet

Whoever doesn't think politics influences science is extraordinarily naive....... and i don't know that 'politics' is actually the particular word to use in this case but the point is that science is not exempt from the perceptual distortions that affect everything else people try to analyze.

It is possible, just by looking at a person, by the most casual visual examination, to tell what part of the world his ancestors descended from. There is something going on there and it isn't just a social construct. I really don't care what any scientist says. Human races are as real as dog breeds.

Liberal pc academia definitly plays a part in research. There have been several studies done by researchers that tend to show intelligence levels in caucasians and asians are higher than blacks. The thing is once the research is done it is quickly attacked. So now many of these researchers have just stopped doing the research. This is one of the few subjects where the scientific search for the truth has been stiffeled for political reasons. It is sad but true.

Peolpe who say blacks on average are not better sprinters than whites are in total denial. They should not be treated as rational adults. The research has been done and the evidence does not lie. There has never and I repeat never been a white sprinter who has broken 10 sec FAT in the 100m. Do you want to take a guess as to how many blacks have broken 10. Give me a brake.

Being more intelligent or being faster has nothing to do with a persons ability to be a good prductive citizen and a moral decent great guy/gal.

Let the research continue without childish attacks/claims of racism from liberal jerks. The truth is the truth.

I wrote many books on this subject. Check your college library and have a nice read.

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I think use of the word "racist"is a broad term and may be interpreted differently depending on the context. It's a value or evaluation and not an observation. The use of statistics based on observations may have less of a sting for some people that may feel offended by the statement, "blacks are faster than whites". Some may take offense, while some may not. The test is not so much using the term "racist" but rather does using such a statement create discord in some people. If one believes that it may, perhaps the statement may be best left unsaid.

The great thing about statistics is, it doesn't care what part of the distribution you're looking at. Say the world is 50% black, 50% non-black (obviously I am erring in your favor). The probability of, by random chance and assuming no genetic differences or correlative effects, getting 19 of 20 of the world's top sprinters being black is like flipping a fair coin 20 times and getting 19 tails. That is something smaller than .00002.

Neuropsychiatrist wrote:

the point Iw as trying to make was that with Sprinters, one is only looking at a tiny fraction of the GAussian distribution and thus it is more difficult to make a conclusion on the entire population based on one sliver. With SAT scores, one can look at the entire Gaussian distribution and thus the conculsion hold more signifinance. It is called sampling error. I woul have expected an MS in math to have picked up on this regardless of how it was presented. It seems your "MS" in applied math just means "More S!@#"

If you just look at it as a black vs white/other thing you can come up with all kinds of data. There is a ton of genetic variability between blacks alone. Africa has been shown to have vast variablility and also pockets of great homegenity (sp). So while west africans may have a very high percentage of FT muscle, East Africans may have a very low percentage of FT. It is a very specific group where skin color may be irrelevent.

No doubt blacks(because many in US, Canada, UK come from west Africa)are generally faster than whites (European).

If you are a racist or not people will be able to tell. It's from your heart. I just think it's simply incorrect to say any group is faster than the next. Warriner, Liu Xiang, El Guerrouj, even Tamasue got the Bronze in Helsinki. We're all the same race as science has proven. New high school textbooks no longer list skin color races per Stanford guidelines.

no, look at my team....