Wejo's coach says what?

I agree.

As always, it depends on the event. 800m runners, absolutely no way. Remember Chris Rock who only ran something like 25 miles a week. If I am not mistaken, Lydiard's guys were the exception, not the rule. 1,500m runners, I'd say this applies to a percentage of 1,500m specialists, but probably not more than 15%. 5k and up I start to see this as being more agreeable in theory. But, as an absolute statement, no, I don't agree. Geb only ran 110 when he was as his very best. Kennedy, Todd Williams. There could be a very, very long list. For sub-elites, perhaps this is more true than elites because they have to make up more ground than the naturally gifted.

This high mileage approach cut Wejo's career very short. I think a more sensible conservative development would have put Wejo at the top in the US for many many years.

In hindsight, the hot marathon in NYC was his downfall. Not Wejo's fault. Wejo was the race horse; JK was the jockey. Wejo would have run 300 mpw, carrying Rojo on his back, if JK told him to. JK trained and raced Wejo's career into the ground.

Just my opinion.

To the contrary, the high mileage approach allowed him to overachieve relative to much more talented peers at a low, dark time in the sport.

What ever happened to individualization? Mileage is no exception to that.

Some very talented people can run at a very high level off lower mileage (relatively speaking, of course). For some, putting in more mileage doesn't yield appreciable results.

For those not gifted in that way (perhaps including Wejo), they have to put in the real high mileage to even have a chance.

But high mileage puts you more at risk for injury. And for the real injury-prone, it's often a better idea to temper the mileage expectations.

I never like "always" or "must" statements when it comes to training.

Disagree.

longtimegone wrote:

This high mileage approach cut Wejo's career very short. I think a more sensible conservative development would have put Wejo at the top in the US for many many years.

In hindsight, the hot marathon in NYC was his downfall. Not Wejo's fault. Wejo was the race horse; JK was the jockey. Wejo would have run 300 mpw, carrying Rojo on his back, if JK told him to. JK trained and raced Wejo's career into the ground.

Just my opinion.

Are you saying wejo can't think for himself?

txRUNNERgirl, *I* would run 300 mpw, carrying *you* on my back, if you told me to.

will wrote:

As always, it depends on the event. 800m runners, absolutely no way. Remember Chris Rock who only ran something like 25 miles a week.

I think you mean Brandon Rock. Although it might be interesting seeing funnyman Chris run the 800.

Usher wrote:

will wrote:

As always, it depends on the event. 800m runners, absolutely no way. Remember Chris Rock who only ran something like 25 miles a week.

I think you mean Brandon Rock. Although it might be interesting seeing funnyman Chris run the 800.

Yeah him too.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

Are you saying wejo can't think for himself?

Are you saying he can?

should I go to Kenya? wrote:

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

Are you saying wejo can't think for himself?

Are you saying he can?

"should I go to Kenya?" you have a point, but by following your logic, letsrun posters are to blame as well.

I just don't think it was completely JK's fault. For example, wejo said his foot hurt for a year before he found out he had a stress fracture. I doubt JK would have treated him the same way a "race horse" would be treated in that situation, but I could be wrong. As far as the high mileage goes, I don't think anyone can agree or disagree with JK's theory unless they have tried it themselves. Runners get injured running 30 mpw too, so I don't think the mileage is all to blame either. There's a combination of factors for fulfilling your potential or not. Otherwise we would all be Olympians instead of arguing on letsrun about coaches, injuries, PEDs, etc.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

There's a combination of factors for fulfilling your potential or not. Otherwise we would all be Olympians instead of arguing on letsrun about coaches, injuries, PEDs, etc.

are you saying that everyone has the potential to be an olympian?

No, I'm saying we don't. Natural talent, hard work, training, coaching, experience, injuries, mental and physical fitness are just some of the elements that contribute to an athletic career. longtimegone was suggesting that wejo's coach be blamed. If it were as simple as that, there would be one coach and one training program that everyone would succeed with.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

No, I'm saying we don't. Natural talent, hard work, training, coaching, experience, injuries, mental and physical fitness are just some of the elements that contribute to an athletic career. longtimegone was suggesting that wejo's coach be blamed. If it were as simple as that, there would be one coach and one training program that everyone would succeed with.

ok i understand that one, but now i dont agree with this last part. yes its true there are a lot of factors involved, but it can also be true that just one is too blame. not at all saying that is the case here, but you do have to take into account that if a coach says that there is one and only way to train(i.e. 120-150miles/week), then that might lead to problems for an athlete that cannot handle that type of training.

True, but wejo chose his coach.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

True, but wejo chose his coach.

JK chose Wejo

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

True, but wejo chose his coach.

right, interesting philosophical argument.

i mean you can say your wife cheated on you, or you chose a cheater.

When a coach/athlete relationship reaches a level where professonal aspirations are on the table, the athlete has to be able to hand over trust to his/her coach, and the coach has to be honest enough with themselves and the athlete to say they can coach at that level.

once again, i am in no way interested in taking sides on the wejo coach thing.

alright its 11pm i dont know where your kids are, but im gonna go to some bars and try to find them.