RE: Der Spiegel admits US winning in Iraq

Saddam DID let the inspectors in. Read "Disarming Iraq," by Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector. The inspections began in October 2002, and there were about 220 inspections personnel in Iraq.

Blix makes clear that Saddam became increasingly cooperative as Bush was massing troops in Kuwait. Blix acknowledges that Saddam initially was not very cooperative, but that by February Saddam's cooperation was "proactive."

Blix made a report to the UN Security Council on March 7. 2003, describing Saddam's proactive cooperation. On March 8, Bush announced that he viewed military force as a last resort and that he was doing everything he could to avoid war with Iraq. On March 20, he invaded Iraq.

Bush viewed the UN inspections as a sideshow as he prepared for the invasion. He never took the inspections seriously, and he and Cheney even stated in 2002 that they were going to invade Iraq.

In an April 2002 interview with Trevor McDonald on British television (Station ITV), Bush said that he had already made up his mind to remove Saddam from power. He also said that the inspectors were not an issue, which indicates that he would not be taking the UN inspections seriously when they began six months later under UN Resolution 1441. The following two paragraphs are from the link just below:

"Although Bush told him [McDonald] that the United States had "no immediate plans to conduct military operations," he also said, "I made up my mind that Saddam needs to go." Bush added, "That's about all I'm willing to share with you." So is the president going to take action to bring that about? "That's what I just said," replied Bush. "The policy of my government is that he goes." "So you're going to go after him?" asked McDonald. "As I told you," said the

president, "the policy of my government is that Saddam Hussein not be in power." McDonald continued, "How do you plan to achieve this, Mr. President?" "Just wait and see" was the reply.

Bush said he wanted the inspectors back in Iraq, but that alone wouldn't be enough to save the Iraqi regime. "This is not an issue of inspectors," replied Bush. "This is an issue of him not upholding his word that he would not develop weapons of mass destruction." Therefore, McDonald concluded, "whether he allows the inspectors in or not, he is on the list to be attacked." That's when Bush accused

McDonald of being "clever" and "trying to put words in my mouth."

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A734_0_2_0_C/

You can also find this same interview cited in the following links, one from the BBC and one from the Washington Post (in an article written by Bob Woodward).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1912050.stm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A57969-2002Jun15?

And here's a passage from an article in Time Magazine/CNN in which Bush says, on May 5, 2002, "We're taking him out."

Two months ago, a group of Republican and Democratic Senators went to the White House to meet with Condoleezza Rice, the President's National Security Adviser. Bush was not scheduled to attend but poked his head in anyway — and soon turned the discussion to Iraq. The President has strong feelings about Saddam Hussein (you might

too if the man had tried to assassinate your father, which Saddam attempted to do when former President George Bush visited Kuwait in 1993) and did not try to hide them. He showed little interest in debating what to do about Saddam. Instead, he became notably animated, according to one person in the room, used a vulgar epithet to refer to Saddam and concluded with four words that left no one in

doubt about Bush's intentions: "We're taking him out."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,235395,00.html

In the second paragraph of this same article, Dick Cheney is quoted as saying that it wasn't a question of whether the US would invade Iraq, but rather of when:

Dick Cheney carried the same message to Capitol Hill in late March [2002]. The Vice President dropped by a Senate Republican policy lunch soon after his 10-day tour of the Middle East — the one meant to drum up support for a U.S. military strike against Iraq. As everyone in the room well knew, his mission had been thrown off course by the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. But Cheney hadn't lost focus. Before he spoke, he said no one should repeat what he said,

and Senators and staff members promptly put down their pens and pencils. Then he gave them some surprising news. The question was no longer if the U.S. would attack Iraq, he said. The only question was when.

WTF do you mean "admitted"?

What you mean to say is they OPINED.

Did you read my post? I said that Saddam let the inspectors in. Thanks for agreeing with me.

You're right. Sorry for reading your post too fast. Glad we're in agreement.

duece mac wrote:

are you really that obtuse? All this "proves" is that bad intel (or manufactured intel) will f you every time. Yes, it's great Saddam is gone. That could have been accomplished w/o the losses we've seen, and w/o getting US troops stuck in that hellhole.

I agree with your point, but the word you want in your first sentence is abstruse rather than obtuse.

Tell me. How did Bush dupe all those smart, intelligent Democrats into believing we needed to invade Iraq?

Well,

The main problem was Bush didn't let the inspectors finish their jobs, pulled them out before they could, and went into Iraq guns blazing prematurely. So while all the Democrats were saying "Saddam was a threat", you who criticise them conveniently leave out the qualifier that he was a threat IF he had WMD. The point of the inspectors was to determine if that was so or not, and Bush never let them find out before we invaded. On top of that, he acted in a way that limited our international support, which limited the coalition troops who would join ours and so share the burden of casualties we have suffered pursuing this folly. However, our smarter allies avoided getting sucked into this folly and therefore have suffered less.

With that said, have Mitt Romney's 5 strapping young sons found something more constructive to do to support our troops than ride around Iowa in a Winnebago?

Living in the Past wrote:

You're right. Sorry for reading your post too fast. Glad we're in agreement.

No problem. Thanks for all the links in your post. Good info.

Well, if Dick Cheney opposes the war (and he does) then so do I!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Midget:

Let me get this straight. If nothing bad happens in Iraq, then the surge is working. But if something bad does happen, then that's just Al Qaeda trying to break our will? Can't have it both ways there, captain.

The fact is that the citizens of this country have been at each other's throats since the start of time. No matter what we do, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO--they will continue to be at each other's throats long after we leave. Now, the question is, how much more blood and treasure should we give away to this lost cause before we let them have at it?

How many of you believe Der Spiegel and can prove it by joining the army. I know I could never join. I always had some excuse to get out of miltary service. Let the hillbillies, gang bangers, and bikers die. I won't send my kids.

Fred Thompson

"Bring it on", has there ever been a more idiotic statement made by a sitting president?

The Republican candidates can't be believed. They way they talk about the so-called "surge" is an silly act (but McCain). None of these liars (but McCain) has any of their kids in the military. They say to the public that the so-called "surge" is working and then tell their own children to stay away from the military services. Romney, Thompson, Brownback, are all theatre shows. Lindsay Graham is in the Air Force reserves, the Air Force and the Navy hardly ever sees any combat (except for the Navy Hospital Corpsman).

"Bring it on", has there ever been a more idiotic statement made by a sitting president?

More than 275 Iraqis killed today in terrorist bombings. Nearly a dozen US soldiers killed in the last couple of days. And this means the surge is working?

How can they lie so brazenly? The surge isn't working. more than 175,000 weaons we gave the Iraq army are missing, sold to the insurgents. What fools we are.

I'm old enough to have faced the draft in the sixties.

This made the rounds back in 2003. It came complete with link, but the link's dead. I'm not sure what its origin was.

1. Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.

2. No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.

3. Imposing country boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals?

Check.

4. Unshakable faith in our superior technology? Check.

5. France secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

6. Russia secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

7. China secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

8. SecDef pushing a conflict the JCS never wanted? Check.

9. Fear we'll look bad if we back down now? Check.

10. Corrupt Texan in the WH? Check.

11. Land war in Asia? Check.

12. Right unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.

13. Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.

14. Soldiers about to be dosed with *our own* chemicals? Check.

15. Friendly fire problem ignored instead of solved? Check.

16. Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.

17. B-52 bombers? Check.

18. Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.

19. In-fighting among the branches of the military? Check.

20. Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.

21. Local experts ignored? Check.

22. Local politicians ignored? Check.

23. Locals used to conflicts lasting longer than the USA has been a

country? Check.

24. Against advice, Prez won't raise taxes to pay for war? Check.

25. Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.

26. Use of nukes hinted at if things don't go our way? Check.

27. Unpopular war? Check.

Vietnam 2, you are cleared to taxi

This is no time to be delusional. Iraq is worse than ever. I served. I know:

08/14/07 BAGHDAD - A mortar attack killed two people and wounded four in Baghdad's northern Ur district, police. 2 0 2

08/14/07 BAGHDAD - Fifteen bodies were found around Baghdad, police said. 15 0 15

08/14/07 Basra - The spokesman of Basra Police Colonel Abdul Kareem Al Zaidi said that 2 civilians were killed and another one injured when one of the rockets launched by gunmen hit a house in Al Maqal neighborhood north Basra city yesterday evening. 2 0 2

08/14/07 DIWANIYA - Gunmen killed a policeman near his house in a drive-by shooting in Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/14/07 FALLUJA - Police found the body of a man shot and tortured in the city of Falluja, 50 km (35 miles) west of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/14/07 HILLA - Gunmen killed a guard and wounded two others in a drive-by attack on a police patrol in Hilla, 100 km (60 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/14/07 KHALIS - The bodies of 15 Sunni Arab men were found shot and dumped near a petrol station in the town of Khalis, 80 km (50 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 15 0 15

08/14/07 MOSUL - Emergency workers and grieving relatives uncovered dozens of bodies in the wreckage of clay houses...sending the death toll from suicide truck bombings of a small Kurdish sect to at least 250 250 0 250

08/14/07 SUWAYRA - Gunmen stormed the house of police officer Aqil Radhi Idan, killing his pregnant wife, brother and son, in the town of Suwayra, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 3 0 3

08/14/07 TAJI - Ten people were killed and six wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a fuel tanker on a bridge near the town of Taji, 20 km (12 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. The bridge collapsed. 10 0 10

08/13/07 AL-ZAP - Gunmen killed the head of the Sunni Arab al-Jubour tribe and wounded two of his sons when they burst into his house on Sunday night in al-Zap 35 km (20 miles) southwest of the northern city of Kirkuk, police said. 1 0 1

08/13/07 Baghdad -Police found 18 dead bodies in the following neighborhoods in Baghdad: 8 were found in west Baghdad(Karkh bank); 3 in Saidiyah, 3 in Amil and 2 in Bayaa. While 10 were found in east Baghdad (Risafa bank); 4 in Sadr city... 18 0 18

08/13/07 HILLA - Gunmen killed one Iraqi soldier in central Hilla 100 km (62 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/13/07 ISKANDARIYA - Police said they recovered a body from the Euphrates river and found another one Iskandariya 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad on Sunday. 2 0 2

08/13/07 SAMARRA - Gunmen killed three civilians on Sunday when they opened their fire in central Samarra 100 km (62 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 3 0 3

08/12/07 BAGHDAD - Mortar rounds landed in the Qahira district of northern Baghdad, killing three civilians and wounding 15, police said. 3 0 3

08/12/07 BAGHDAD - Police said they found the bodies of 17 people dumped around the city of Baghdad. 17 0 17

08/12/07 DAQUQ - Insurgents killed one civilian and wounded two others in a drive-by shooting in Daquq about 200 km (125 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/12/07 DAQUQ - Insurgents opened fire on a police patrol, killing three policemen and wounding two others in Daquq, police said. 0 3 3

08/12/07 HASHEMIYA - An Iraqi soldier was killed by gunmen in a drive-by shooting in the town of Hashemiya 100 km (60 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/12/07 HAWIJA - One Iraqi soldier was killed when insurgents opened fire in Hawija 70 km (43 miles) southwest of northern Kirkuk, police said. 0 1 1

08/12/07 HILLA - Police said they had discovered the bodies of two women and a man 30 km (20 miles) south of the city of Hilla, south of Baghdad. 2 0 2

08/12/07 Kirkuk - a 34-year-old Kurdish woman after learning her husband was one of three policemen kill...Layla Ridha Mohammed could not be comforted. She went inside, grabbed a pistol and shot herself in the head. 1 0 1

08/12/07 LATIFIYA - A roadside bomb struck an Iraqi Army patrol killing one solider and wounding two others, police said. 0 1 1

08/11/07 BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed one civilian and wounded two others in the Zaafaraniya district of southern Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/11/07 BAGHDAD - Eleven bodies were found in different areas of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 11 0 11

08/11/07 DIWANIYA - The governor and police chief of Iraq's Diwaniya province were killed in a roadside bomb attack on their convoy near the city of Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 2 0 2

08/11/07 ISHAQI - The dismembered bodies of four people were found in Ishaqi, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 4 0 4

08/11/07 RASHAD - The bodies of two Kurdish Yazidis were found near the small town of Rashad, 30 km (18 miles) south of the northern city of Kirkuk, on Friday, police said. The reason for their killing was not known. 2 0 2

08/10/07 Baghdad -6 unidentified bodies were found by Iraqi Police today. 1 in al-Sadr City, north east Baghdad; 1 in New Baghdad, east Baghdad; 1 in Shoala, north Baghdad; 1 in Bayaa, south west Baghdad... 6 0 6

08/10/07 Basra -5 killed and more than 20 injured in still ongoing armed confrontations between al-Maliki and al-Fraijat tribes in Qurna City, 100 km to the north of Basra. 5 0 5

08/10/07 GARNA - Gunmen killed Wisam al-Maliki, son of the sheikh of the Bani Malik tribe of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, in the southern Iraqi town of Garna, 80 km (50 miles) north of Basra, police said. 1 0 1

08/10/07 KIRKUK - A car bomb killed 11 people and wounded 45 others when it blew up near a market in a Kurdish district of the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, police said. 11 0 11

08/10/07 Kirkuk -1 civilian killed in a shooting in Qadisiya al-Thania neighborhood, behind the police station at 01:00 this morning. AbdulAmeer Izudeen, a laborer, was shot by gunmen driving a red Opel Omega ... 1 0 1

08/10/07 Mosul -4 Peshmerga killed and 12 injured from the PDK when an IED exploded under their vehicle in the district of Zamar, north west Mosul, this afternoon. They were all from the city of Zakho, on duty in Zamar. 4 0 4

08/10/07 RUTBA - Police said they found the bodies of three people in the western Iraqi town of Rutba, near the Jordanian border. 3 0 3

08/09/07 BAGHDAD - A mortar round killed one person and wounded two others when it landed on a residential area of southern Baghdad's Shi'ite Bayaa district on Wednesday, police said. 1 0 1

08/09/07 BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed three people and wounded two in the southern Baghdad district of Bayaa, police said. 3 0 3

08/09/07 BAGHDAD - Nine bodies were found around Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 9 0 9

08/09/07 Kirkuk - A child was killed and 4 of his family injured when mortar shell hit their house in Hawija town west Kirkuk yesterday evening. 1 0 1

08/09/07 NAJAF - Gunmen on a motorcycle shot dead a former member of Saddam Hussein's Baath party in the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 BAGHDAD - One female child was killed and two people wounded by a mortar attack in the Shi'ite Abu Dshir neighbourhood of southern Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 BAGHDAD - One person was killed and two others wounded when gunmen opened fire on pedestrians in the Doura district of southern Baghdad, police said. Also six people were wounded in a mortar attack. 1 0 1

08/08/07 BAGHDAD - The bodies of 11 people were found dumped around Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 11 0 11

08/08/07 BAGHDAD - The U.S. military said about 30 suspected militants were killed in raids in Baghdad's Shi'ite slum of Sadr City. Hospital sources said 13 people were killed while police put the toll at 11, including women and children. 11 0 11

08/08/07 BAQUBA - A suicide bomber blew himself up in a barber shop, killing five people and wounding eight others in the Gatoon neighbourhood in Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 5 0 5

08/08/07 DUJAIL - Gunmen killed a police officer in a drive-by shooting in the Sada village in Dujail, 90 km (55 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/08/07 HAWIJA - A mortar round landed on a house in Hawija, killing a child and wounding four other members from the family, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 HAWIJA - A roadside bomb killed one person and wounded two others near a petrol station in the town of Hawija, 60 km (40 miles) southwest of Kirkuk, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 JURF AL-SAKHAR - Gunmen killed one civilian in Jurf al- Sakhar, 85 km (55 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 KIRKUK - A roadside bomb killed one policeman and wounded six others when it exploded near their patrol car in Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/08/07 KIRKUK - Gunmen killed one person and wounded another in an ethnically mixed neighbourhood of Kirkuk, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 KIRKUK - Police said they found the body of a person shot in Kirkuk bearing signs of torture. 1 0 1

08/08/07 MAHAWEEL - Gunmen killed a person in a drive-by shooting in the town of Mahaweel, 75 km (50 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 NAJAF - A gunman on a motorbike killed a lawyer outside his home in Najaf, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 NAJAF - A sanitation director was wounded and his driver killed in an assassination attempt near the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf, 160 km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/08/07 SAMARRA - Mortar rounds killed seven people in a residential area of the Sunni town of Samarra, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 7 0 7

08/07/07 BAGHDAD - Four people were killed and six wounded by a mortar strike in the Kamaliya neighbourhood of eastern Baghdad, police said. 4 0 4

08/07/07 BAGHDAD - Sixteen bodies were found in various districts of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 16 0 16

08/07/07 Baquba - 2 civilians were killed by gunmen near the market in Kan’an town east of Baquba today morning. 2 0 2

08/07/07 Diyala - A source in Diyala health directorate said that the morgue of Diyala received today the bodies of two women who had been kiiled yesterday in A Gatoon neighborhood west Diyala city. 2 0 2

08/07/07 Diyala - A source in the 5th Iraqi army division said that a soldier was killed and 3 others wounded in a suicide car bomb targeted their check point near Arab Shoka village north of Baquba city today early morning. 0 1 1

08/07/07 Kirkuk - Police found a body of a taxi driver who had been kidnapped five days ago. The police found the body in Qarhanjeer village east Kirkuk yesterday evening. 1 0 1

08/07/07 MAHMUDIYA - Two pedestrians were killed and six others wounded when gunmen opened fire in Mahmudiya, 30 km (20 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 2 0 2

08/07/07 Mosul - A source in the morgue of Mosul city said that the morgue received the bodies of 7 civilians who were killed in separated incidents in the western neighborhoods of Mosul city yesterday Monday. 7 0 7

08/07/07 Muqdadiyah - A child was killed and another wounded when gunmen opened fire randomly in Baloor neighborhood in Muqdadiyah town east of Baquba city today morning. 1 0 1

08/07/07 NEAR TAJI - A suicide car bomb killed seven people and wounded eight near a market in Salih al-Khalaf village, north of Baghdad on Tuesday, the U.S. military said. Another military statement said eight people were killed and 16 wounded. 7 0 7

08/07/07 SAMARRA - Three women and two children were killed when several mortar rounds hit a residential area in central Samarra, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. Two other children were wounded. 5 0 5

08/06/07 BAGHDAD - A bomb in a bus killed two people and wounded nine others, including women and children, in Baghdad's eastern Shi'ite neighbourhood of Ghadir, police said. 2 0 2

08/06/07 BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb concealed in rubbish killed six people and wounded 10 when it blew up in the southern Baghdad neighbourhood of Jisr Diyala as street cleaners were sweeping the road, police said. 6 0 6

08/06/07 BAGHDAD - Seventeen bodies were found around Baghdad, police said. 17 0 17

08/06/07 Basra - One civilian was killed when a rocket hit his house in central Basra today, police said. 1 0 1

08/06/07 HAWIJA - Police said they found the bodies of two people near the town of Hawija, north of Baghdad. 2 0 2

08/06/07 SHIRQAT - Police found the bodies of five Iraqi soldiers in the northern town of Shirqat, police said. 0 5 5

08/06/07 TAL AFAR - A truck bomb killed at least 33 people and wounded 52 others when it exploded in a Shi'ite district of the northern town of Tal Afar, police said. At least 10 homes were flattened by the blast. 33 0 33

08/05/07 BAGHDAD - At least 13 people were killed Sunday morning when mortar shells rained down on their east Baghdad neighborhood, police said. At least three mortar rounds hit a major thoroughfare in Mashtal, a predominantly Shiite neighborhood... 13 0 13

08/05/07 BAGHDAD - Gunmen killed a mosque imam and wounded his two sons in a drive-by shooting in the Sunni Arab Khadhra district of western Baghdad, an army source said. 1 0 1

08/05/07 BAGHDAD - The bodies of 18 people, including two women, were found dumped across Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. Most of the bodies were found in Baghdad's predominantly Sunni Arab western Karkh side. 18 0 18

08/05/07 Baquba - Police in Baquba, north of Baghdad, said they had found 60 decomposed corpses dumped in thick grass on Sunday. Little else was known about the bodies. Baquba is the capital of volatile Diyala province and an al Qaeda stronghold. 60 0 60

08/05/07 HILLA - Gunmen killed a police commando outside his home on Sunday in the central Iraqi city of Hilla, 100 km (62 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/05/07 MAHMUDIYA - A suicide car bomb targeting a vehicle workshop killed two people and wounded five others at the entrance to the town of Mahmudiya, 30 km (20 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. Four cars and three shops were destroyed. 2 0 2

08/05/07 Mosul - Gunmen killed Mohammed Abdul Salam, a 25 years old Kurd citizen, in Mosul yesterday. 1 0 1

08/05/07 SUWAYRA - A tribal leader died from wounds sustained on Saturday after he was attacked by gunmen in the town of Suwayra, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/04/07 Baghdad - A civilian was killed and 3 others wounded in an IED explosion in Saidiyah neighborhood south Baghdad around 8,40 am. 1 0 1

08/04/07 BAGHDAD - Gunmen killed a doctor in a drive-by shooting in the Jamiaa district in western Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/04/07 BAGHDAD - One person was killed and another wounded by a mortar attack in the Abu Ghraib district of western Baghdad, police said. 1 0 1

08/04/07 BAGHDAD - Twenty-one bodies were found dumped around Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 21 0 21

08/04/07 Baghdad - Two people were killed and four wounded by a mortar attack in Jisr Diyala neighbourhood in southeastern Baghdad, police said. 2 0 2

08/04/07 TIKRIT - Three Iraqi soldiers died in fighting with insurgents in the Jibila district east of Tikrit, an Iraqi military intelligence officer said. 0 3 3

08/03/07 Baghdad -Police found 13 unidentified bodies today. 3 in Sleikh, north Baghdad; 1 in Hay Ur, north Baghdad; 1 in Sadr City, north east Baghdad; 3 in Saidiya, south Baghdad; 2 in Bayaa, south Baghdad... 13 0 13

08/03/07 HASWA - Gunmen killed one person in a drive-by shooting in Haswa, 50 km (30 miles) south of Baghdad, on Friday, police said. 1 0 1

08/03/07 KIRKUK - Gunmen killed one Iraqi police officer in front of his house in Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, on Friday, police said. 0 1 1

08/02/07 Al-Wahda - South of Baghdad, gunmen barged into the home of Hadi al-Mayahi, a Shiite civil servant at the local branch of the trade ministry in Al-Wahda, killing him and kidnapping four of his sons, said police Captain Muntadhar Mohammed. 1 0 1

08/02/07 Baghdad - Police found 24 dead bodies in Baghdad in the following neighborhoods : 13 were found in west Baghdad ( Karkh bank) ; 4 in Bayaa , 4 in Amil , 2 in Kadhimiyah , 1 in Ma’amoun , 1 in Qadisiya and 1 in Khadraa... 24 0 24

08/02/07 BAIJI - Three mortar bombs killed three people in a residential area in Baiji 180 km (112 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. 3 0 3

08/02/07 BALAD - Six mortar bombs killed one girl and wounded five other children in Balad 80 km (50 miles) north of Baghdad, the local hospital said. 1 0 1

08/02/07 JBELA - Three people were killed and two wounded in clashes between a tribe and insurgents in the town of Jbela...An Iraqi army patrol responding to the incident was hit by a roadside bomb that wounded two soldiers, police said. 3 0 3

08/02/07 Khalis - Before noon, police found 14 dead bodies near poultry field at Hibhib of Khalis ( 18 km north Baquba). All of them were tortured before being shot on heads and chests. 14 0 14

08/02/07 Kirkuk - An IED targeted a military patrol near Al-Awashra village on the Kirkuk-Beji west of the city killing one soldier... 0 1 1

08/02/07 KIRKUK - Police found the bodies of five brothers, all day labourers, who had been kidnapped near al-Rashaad district 40 km southwest of Kirkuk a day earlier. A sixth brother, six or seven years old, was found nearby unharmed. 5 0 5

08/02/07 Kut - Further into the Shiite south, policeman Hisham Raheem who guarded electricity installations near the city of Kut, was shot dead in cold blood on his way to work, said police Lieutenant Ali Hussein. 0 1 1

08/02/07 NAJAF - Gunmen killed sheikh Fadil al-Aqeel, Shi'ite imam of the al-Hasan mosque in Najaf 160 km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, in a drive-by shooting when he returned home from the mosque on Thursday, police said. 1 0 1

08/02/07 Sulaimaniyah - After mid-night of Wednesday , police found two dead bodies of two students ( male and female ) at Bekhtiari neighborhood in downtown Sulaimaniyah city who were burned by unknown material for police 2 0 2

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - A parked car bomb killed three people and wounded five in Baghdad's southern Doura district, police said. 3 0 3

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - A parked car bomb killed three people and wounded six others in the al-Harthiya district of central Baghdad near the Green Zone, police said. 3 0 3

08/01/07 Baghdad - A policeman was killed and 7 others wounded in an IED explosion targeted their vehicle in Al Mamoun neighborhood downtown Baghdad around 5,00 pm. 0 1 1

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber killed 50 people and wounded 60 after luring motorists to a fuel truck near a petrol station in Baghdad's western Mansour district, police said. 50 0 50

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - A suicide car bomb killed 20 people and wounded 40 near al-Hurriya Square in the Karrada district of central Baghdad, police said. 20 0 20

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - Gunmen killed Major-General Maher Nouri, a senior traffic police officer, in a drive-by shooting in central Baghdad, police said. 0 1 1

08/01/07 BAGHDAD - Twenty-five bodies were found dumped around Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. 25 0 25

08/01/07 Baghdad - Two men working for the anti terror directorate were killed by gunmen in Saidiyah neighborhood south Baghdad around 4,30 pm. 2 0 2

08/01/07 Diyala - Nine Iraqi soldiers were killed and 14 others were injured in a car bomb attack in Diyala governorate on Wednesday, a military source said. A booby-trapped car was detonated near a bus carrying Iraqi soldiers eastern Diyala... 0 9 9

08/01/07 Falluja - 2 police man were killed and 6 people including 3 civilians and 3 policemen injured in a suicide truck bomb targeted the police checkpoint located at the end of (40) St. in Falluja city west of Baghdad today afternoon. 0 2 2

08/01/07 ISKANDARIYA - A roadside bomb killed one Iraqi soldier and wounded three others in Iskandariya 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said 0 1 1

08/01/07 MADAEN - Gunmen planted several bombs inside a residential building and blew it up, killing four civilians and wounding six others in Madaen, 45 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Usual keen and broad analysis wrote:

If anything, within this entire thread, you have numerous quotes from Dems saying that Saddam must be overthrown and the leadership in Iraq changed, and you PURPORTEDLY have Dick Cheney saying why that wouldn't be such a good idea. Ironic and funny isn't it? .

"puportedly" ??!?!? That f***ing video isn't good enough for you?

" ...and the question for the President, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad and took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein was: how many additional dead Americans Hussein was worth? And our judgment was not very many and I think we got it right. "

It isn't funny at all ,it is sickening.

Funnier than hell wrote:

[the same recycle dem quotes seen on here 10000 times ]

These are a few of my favorites, mostly from the Democratic "leadership."

These are better-

COMMENTS MADE BY REPUBLICAN LEADERS AND TALKING HEADS DURING THE 1999 KOSOVO WAR-

Why did they second-guess our commitment to freedom from genocide and demand that we cut and run?

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

COMMENTS MADE BY REPUBLICAN LEADERS AND TALKING HEADS DURING THE 1999 KOSOVO WAR-

Why did they demoralize our brave men and women in uniform?

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

*** "You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo." ***

-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"

-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we're running out of cruise missles. I can't tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we're almost out of cruise missles."

-Senator Inhofe (R-OK)

****** "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) *****

"I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

*** "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 ****