I'm 18, in about 33 minute shape. My goal is to be get good enough to run marathons, with a group like Greg McMillans' after college.
You need to be around 29-30:00 to get to that point.
I'm going to be running DIII xc and track, but over the summers and winter break could using Daniels' formula book, and working HARD get me to a 30:00 10k?
just wondering (or is 33:00 to far away?)
Snathand wrote:
going to be HARD
yeah it is
if you are serious go to a DI school...or investigate some good DIII schools
for what it's worth, you can't just continue to work and work and work and work and work and hope to get better.
Go ahead and try it for yourself, but if you do interval training and tempo runs over every break you'll be broken, toasted gimp after a year, likely sooner.
you are "in about 33min 10k shape"....does that mean your pr is a lot faster or slower than 33min? What is your 5k pr? how do you know the marathon is going to be your event later? Having a goal of cracking 30min in the 10k is good, but it looks to be a long term goal for you (if your pr is around 33 flat). Daniels is a pretty good program, but to only follow it over breaks and then train under a different program (your DIII coach) at other points of the year is probably not going to be the best idea.
General rule of thumb:
guys who crack 30min for 10k:
run at least 70mpw at times (some over 100mpw, some 60mpw)
have 5k prs of at least 14:40 or better
usually run/or ran DI in college
treadmill wrote:
you are "in about 33min 10k shape"....does that mean your pr is a lot faster or slower than 33min? What is your 5k pr? how do you know the marathon is going to be your event later? Having a goal of cracking 30min in the 10k is good, but it looks to be a long term goal for you (if your pr is around 33 flat). Daniels is a pretty good program, but to only follow it over breaks and then train under a different program (your DIII coach) at other points of the year is probably not going to be the best idea.
General rule of thumb:
guys who crack 30min for 10k:
run at least 70mpw at times (some over 100mpw, some 60mpw)
have 5k prs of at least 14:40 or better
usually run/or ran DI in college
How many 26:xx Kenyans and Ethiopians ran DI in college?
Running sub 30:00 sometime in life when you are a 33:00 guy at 18 years of age is a totally realistic goal. What will it take? Lots of patience. Plenty of basework. Progressive improvement in your V02 max workouts. Staying injury free.
I ran under 33:00 at 19. I never improved because I lacked patience, did not do enough basework, overtrained, and generally sucked it up. I watched a good number of people at my talent level go sub 30 by age 23 by being patient and having a long term focus.
One of my friends went sub 30 without even going to college, self-coached. Going D1 might get you there or it might burn you up. It all depends on your personality. Stay focused on the goal, remain confident in your training, and be patient.
it's certainly not impossible, but you're talking about -if you want to drop 3+ mins- more than just 'after college', you might be 27 or even 30 by the time 30 mins is a very realistic, up coming goal.
I ran about 16 minutes for 5k at your age (about 33 for 10k probably).
I ran for a DI school and worked my ass off for 50 weeks a year.
and I got to 30:12 when I was 25, but my body just 'quit' and broke down with injuries. So work hard but not too hard, be smart about it
good luck
if you are just entering college, you will make some pretty big improvements your first year. just be ready to make small improvements each year. just work on getting under 32 first, thats a pretty big step. once you get under 31 you can be pretty competitive at the conference level in a d3 school
well what conference are you in kylekopid? must be a good one...
You get under 31 and you are a provisional qualifier in D3, you get down to the low 30s and people may be talking about you as a national contender. You will definitly be f***ing competitive at the conference level.
Read how Wejo did it--Good luck!