Goucher is OUT!!!

Huh?! Fractured what? Details please....

Nice guy. It is a shame that he sold his soul to go to the dark side. Luckily most of the casual obsevers will never really know because of the power of NIKE.

Here is the problem. wrote:

Nice guy. It is a shame that he sold his soul to go to the dark side. Luckily most of the casual obsevers will never really know because of the power of NIKE.

Why does everybody always hate on Nike and Alberto? How many runners has he actually ruined?

The scale says that he ruined Caitlyn Chock.

The scale has no idea what its talking about.....

THE SCALE wrote:

The scale says that he ruined Caitlyn Chock.

Really/ Salazar did that?

Her career was ruined when she made the infinitely wise decision to attend U. of Richmond. Even considering that school should have signalled that she wasn't going to be serious about competing at the next level.

I actually admire Salazar for trying to take over a ruined project like Chock.

Burn!

if this is true then that's what happens when you take a week totally off and then start up full scale. Does this mean Ed Moran is in?

The point of the whole thread wrote:

THE SCALE wrote:

The scale says that he ruined Caitlyn Chock.

Really/ Salazar did that?

Her career was ruined when she made the infinitely wise decision to attend U. of Richmond. Even considering that school should have signalled that she wasn't going to be serious about competing at the next level.

I actually admire Salazar for trying to take over a ruined project like Chock.

No way, man, she sucks because she doesn't eat food.

Fractured...that is what happens when you are old and your bones are brittle.

Let's get back to the point here folks. This isn't an AlSal thread, although his is related of course. Stress fractures happen and they are never something you PLAN to have happen. Goucher simply pushed a little too hard for a little too long and went a bit over that fine line all elites have to walk. Who of you hasn't been there? Show me an athlete that has never been injured and I'll show you one who is nowhere near his or her potential. Again, I'm a big Adam fan and really feel bad for him. Mabye there is still a plan to get to Worlds but, the meet is pretty close now. Go, go Gadget Treadmill!!!

-The Killer

Good point. For some reason people on this board have to be critical of Nike and anything connected with it.

Does it stop Nike from being #1- no.

Does it prevent Nike from giving so much to HS XC/Track- no.

Thank Good that a few losers have no impact.

Keep going Salazar and Nike! Phil Knight will live forever! NTN is the true national championship!

Whether Salazar "ruined" Chock or not, he certainly hasn't been successful with everyone. (There is not one coach that has been) However, I do feel Salazar is not a great coach. He has great athletes that have run well but that doesn't make someone a great coach. It would be interesting to see what a Chad Johnson or Mike Donnelly would say....or Todd Lewis for that matter.

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I know that Alberto Salazar is a great coach.

Believe me, it is great athletes that make a coach great. If an athlete has no talent it doesn't matter how hard they work they will not excell. Combine a great athlete with a knowledgable coach and you have a great coach.

Case in point: I know of this situation from a friend who coaches.

He has coached State Champions and other very successful athletes- sub 1:55 800 runners, regional championship teams, etc.

He has a girl runner who runs 5-6 miles per day to prepare for the XC season. Does cross-training with a personal trainer. This poor girl has no talent what-so-ever. She can't run 8:00 per mile for a 5K road race. Her body is not built for any sport (ok, maybe curling or bowling). She has no leg lift what-so-ever and no push off with her toes as she runs. She is big for a girl- tall, big thighs, real big feet.

She has teammates (girls) who can break 19:00, 20:00, and 21:00. The team is successful and has rarely lost in the last four years. Yet- her father complains to the AD that the team needs a new coach because the coach is bad because his daughter is slow. Also, the coach should put his daughter on varsity so she can prove how fast she really is. Keep in mind that this girl has a PR of 6:18 in the 1500 and has never broken 25:00 for 5K.

The people that see nothing wrong with what Alberto (Nike) does to its athletes are the same fools that think that Alberto's heart condition had nothing to do with drugs.

Goucher's stree fracture has nothing to do with drugs, but it is tough to feel sorry for any athlete that has made the decision to be a part of that mess.

By the way, isn't the World Championships, and the entire track season the reason that he skipped World Cross? HAHAHAHAHA

Fukk, Goucher will be better off just recovering and trying to lay one heck of an awesome base for next year anyway. It will likely be his last significant year at his age, so why not put everything into one more Herculean effort?

What did he fracture

Depending on Gouchers injury, maybe he can get on that G-Treadmill or Zero Gravity Treadmill, whatever it is called. Ritz used it during his last injury, and he has been running well lately.