Will BOISE STATE repeat as the Football National Champions ?

The NCAA only recognizes National Champions in sports with a tournament or championship event, e.g. baseball, basketball, track. I think football may be the only sport where they don't crown a champion. No football team gets the wood trophy with the NCAA logo on it.

Sagarin in another east coast dildo living in the past. A big joke. FL lost 1 game. OSU was overrated. The BCS bowl game was a bogus. Boise State went undefeated. USC had what looked like the best team at the end of the year though I must say. Without a playoffs, Boise State #1, USC #2, you can guess the rest.

I think Florida looked like the best team at the end of the year. Everyone agreed to the same rules, and they won it fair and square.

Both the BCS and the AP (the only two that can name the national champion) agreed so that makes Florida a consensus national champion (even though it's not NCAA...)

USC did not look like the best team at the end of the year (they lost to UCLA at the end of the year!) and Boise State had a fantastic season. But seriously - if they had to play another BCS team the weak after the Fiesta bowl could they do it twice? They needed every trick in the book and then some to beat Oklahoma.

The consensus is that USC was the best team at the end of the year. The BCS rules apply to the bowl games and not the skilled, courageous game of college football. Boise State went undefeated trouncing any Big 12 opponent and really captured the hearts and minds of all college football fans. It was a miraculous year. USC and Boise State should have scheduled and played a championship game in January at a neutral site, let\'s say, Stanford Stadium. That would have decided the undisputed 2007 college football national champion. Unfortunately all we can do now is speculate who the #1 team would have been, either USC or Boise State. I wish we had a playoffs to decide fair and square. The BCS unfairly preloads teams with legacy points and is marketing tool to sell parade tickets, and not a playoffs, that we have already decided.

I do agree that a playoff would make things fair.

I don't agree with anything else you said. The "consensus" was that USC was a good team and could pretty much beat anyone, they finished near the top in the polls (deservingly). They were not the best.

Boise State doesn't deserve a shot at the title. It only encourages people to schedule easy seasons in hopes of going undefeated (give props to USC for scheduling tough opponents).

"Boise State went undefeated trouncing any Big 12 opponent"

...I wouldn't call it trouncing. A great game, but they barely won.

The consensus was that USC was the best team at the end of the year. But they did not beat Boise State, and Boise State went undefeated. Boise State trounced every opponent. They did better than the top BCS choices who played teams overrated by the east coast press. Clearly Boise State is #1, USC is #2, and who knows how to decipher the BCS rankings since they unfairly seed the brackets using a bizarre scheme which employs the previous year\'s schedule. This is highly suspect since it favors certain teams unfairly. At least Boise State\'s and USC\'s, #1 and #2 national rankings were based on their play during the year, and not arbitrary rules designed promote nachos, oranges, roses, parade tickets, etc. Football is decided on the field by the players, not by fat slobs in the New York press. Boise State Broncos #1 !

Me thinks you're going to regret this thread in January 2008 if not sooner (like when Boise St loses a game). Some yahoo will search and find this thread and bump it to the top and you'll be embarrassed to see how you overhyped the Broncos. It happens over and over and over again on this forum, but posters never learn. (Kind of like the politicians who get suckered into being interviewed by Stephen Colbert, but they keep doing it and doing it only to make fools of themselves on national TV.)

The Broncos had an exciting run last year and a stellar performance in the Fiesta Bowl. But don't make it sound like something it wasn't by acting like BSU was national champs.

Out of sight wrote:

The consensus was that USC was the best team at the end of the year. But they did not beat Boise State, and Boise State went undefeated. Boise State trounced every opponent. They did better than the top BCS choices who played teams overrated by the east coast press. Clearly Boise State is #1, USC is #2, and who knows how to decipher the BCS rankings since they unfairly seed the brackets using a bizarre scheme which employs the previous year's schedule. This is highly suspect since it favors certain teams unfairly. At least Boise State's and USC's, #1 and #2 national rankings were based on their play during the year, and not arbitrary rules designed promote nachos, oranges, roses, parade tickets, etc. Football is decided on the field by the players, not by fat slobs in the New York press. Boise State Broncos #1 !

My vote for most retarded thread of the day... seriously. they got extremely lucky against oklahoma. they had the slimmest of chances to win, and they miraculously pulled it out... had they played any real teams outside their shitty conference this year they would have gotten trounced as well.

they played a phenominal game versus oklahoma, who played an absolutely terrible game. they were undersized and lacked speed and talent. it turned into a classic david vs. goliath match that it was played up to be, and ended up being a great game, but i don't see how anyone could think for one minute that it could possibly happen again, or against a better opponent. stick boise in the SEC for a season and see if they don't end up a 4-5 loss team. they might get an upset here and there, but consistently beating excellent football teams every week is the hardest thing, and in the SEC its reality.

The premise is that the BCS brackets are so ridiculous we can imagine whatever we want and also claim it as legitimate. Certainly the SOS is absolutely the worst measure of evaluation, is universally regarded as a joke, is totally controversial, given it adds \'points\' based on the previous year\'s team, previous year\'s coaching staff, and previous year\'s opponents. The BCS committee has very little credibility especially after the games we saw played. I do not agree that BSU or USC was tops, but certainly the argument that FL or OSU was tops based on the BCS, is equally as stupid and ridiculous.

let the kids decide the NC. no more corruption. playoffs.

This is a running site, right?

Why can't 1A do what 1AA does? Or even a 4 or 8 team playoff using the BCS bowls. Would it be that difficult?

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Why can't 1A do what 1AA does? Or even a 4 or 8 team playoff using the BCS bowls. Would it be that difficult?

I agree, but the corporate money is the big hang-up... the bowl sponsorships, BCS, TV rights, etc.

From what little I know about the situation, me thinks that the NCAA should declare a year (say 3 or 5 years from now) when they will have a playoff system in place instead of the big bowls. Then those corporate contracts will have time to expire and realign themselves with the new playoff system.

The big bowl games can be used as some of the playoffs themselves just to have some connection to the pagentry of the old way of doing it. Minor bowl games could still be played as a consolation prizes to teams that don't make the playoffs.

Seems like a happy solution. Better to have a #9 team feel that they got slighted and missed the playoffs than a #3 team feeling slighted for not getting into the BCS champ game.

Do you know what would happen if Boise played Ohio St. Florida Auburn Tenn or even USC they would have their asses handed they are nowhere near as good as their records say otherwise "real" teams would be lining up. They will continue to rule the roost in potato country but here in the real world they are a D2 team at best you hear it here first Gators will win again.

Boston U wrote:

Sagarin in another east coast dildo living in the past. A big joke. FL lost 1 game. OSU was overrated. The BCS bowl game was a bogus. Boise State went undefeated. USC had what looked like the best team at the end of the year though I must say. Without a playoffs, Boise State #1, USC #2, you can guess the rest.

Wow, you're a genius. I happen to live in Colorado and I did my undergrad in California, so I don't know where you get this east coast projection, other than my cousin used to QB for UConn. In fact, I don't really like the east coast in general (and Massachussets in particular).

I did not give Florida enough credit last year during the season, because they had not played anyone significant outside of their conference. Funny thing is, Sagarin had them playing the 15th hardest schedule in the nation, but I disregarded it, until the week leading up to the national championship, when I said it was a lock that Florida would cover the spread. Nevertheless, I do think Sagarin had it right, as per usual, with Florida #1 and USC #2. THOSE were the very two best teams at the end of the year, and the SEC had the best one-two punch in Florida and LSU.

I do think USC will be hard to beat this year though, what with all the depth they have at key positions. Pete Carroll has said it is his most talented team ever.

And if you were simply referring to one Jeff Sagarin himself, well, he's the most objective, statistically accurate analyst out there. Unconventional, but he generally has it right, even if he does disagree with the AP and coaches' polls. That's what math and statistics will do for you, eliminating the notoriously inaccurate human bias.

Nobody will ever know for sure just how Boise would have done against Florida or anyone else. Who cares? The Fiesta Bowl was without question the most entertaining football game I've ever watched. It was the perfect ending to the dream season for them. Oklahoma was far from the push over that many seem to think they were as well. Without that blown call that caused them to lose to Oregon they would have had a shot at the title game.

Anyway, appreciate it for what it was. Easily one of the best bowl games ever.

Agreed. On every point. However, Oklahoma was not at its best trying to assimilate a just-returning Adrian Petersen for that particular game. One of the best games ever, nonetheless, second only to maybe Texas' win against SC in the national championship.

I would also agree that Oklahoma was a pretty good football team, that ended up getting royally screwed against Oregon and then lost the nation's #1 running back. People were too quick to denigrate them last year. So Boise State deserves some credit, no doubt.