sac man wrote:
please realize that the only reason that iraq was invaded was to get an American presence in the middle east - not for oil or to get rid of a dictator.National security is our problem, not Darfur's social injustices.
wow, someone who actually knows what the hell they're talking about! amazing.
Why is national security our problem? Because we live in a nation state? We live in a world too. World security should be an issue for all of us as well. Genocide is a problem. You are making an argument that we should have let Jews die in the Holocaust because, well, they weren't Americans, not our problem. I mean honestly, why isn't social injustice our problem. If this was going on here, you sure as hell would hope for help from somewhere else, wouldnt you? I doubt you would say "Oh, it isn't anyone elses problem, so they should let us die."
Rediculous
jews weren't the only ones to die in the holocaust as they would have you believe. certainly 6 million jews and arabs plus other semitics were the primary targets due to their half-african heritage. the nazis also murdered 6 million other half-caucasians including russians, poles, slavs, as well as indians, chinese, africans, etc.
I understand that. It does not really change my argument, except I guess I could reword it as "You are making an argument that we should have let so many people from many different backgrounds die in the Holocaust because, well, they weren't Americans, not our problem. I mean honestly, why isn't social injustice our prob'
i'm not american and i am not arguing either way what americans can do in darfur. i don't understand why americans are happily killing hundreds of thousands of iraqis, and are happy to occupy palestine and abandon millions of refugees in new orleans, yet amazingly show concerned about darfur. i would like to see americans end it's own genocide in iraq, afghanistan, and palestine.
do you you even know what genocide is?
are you a nazi ? that makes excuses for genocide. nazis are hard to find here in munchen. nazis are not hard to find in america. america defeated the nazis then became them.
Broken engrish much?
The only pressure that the sudanese government has responded to is ECONOMIC. Thus, we need to continue hard line economic pressure on sudan, and we need the cooperation of russia and china. we also need 17000 un troops on the ground with a chapter 7 peacekeeping mandate, and we need to bring al-bashir and his cronies to justice.
for all of you who question why we should care or do anything to end genocide in darfur, your humanity is in question. you will be judged by history in years to come by your actions regarding darfur, and it is all of our responsibilities to take action now.
"All humanity is one undivided and indivisible family, and each one of us is responsible for the misdeeds of all the others. I cannot detach myself from the wickedest soul."
-Mahatma Gandhi
how can the u.s. ask for cooperation from russia and china when the commiting genocide in iraq and palestine at the same time. the u.s. has no credibility with russia, china, nor with any other country when it comes to human rights. the u.s. currently is the world leader in daily murders of unarmed innocent civilians.
Just let the U.N. handle it. I'm sure in all their wisdom they know just what to do.
You're an idiot. Iraqis kill more Iraqis than the US.
Four ways this Darfur thing could play out on an international scale
1) US Does Something - Well since we tried the same thing in Iraq, it'll be a long time before Congress signed off on another one of these missions.
2) UN Does Something - In order for the UN to intervene the Security Council must agree, which means none of the Permanent 5 will veto. Unfortunately, China gets roughly 6% of its oil from the Sudan and buys 2/3 of Sudan's oil. There's no chance anything is going to change since China (like the US) needs its oil to keep its economy moving.
http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2007/03/207082.shtml
3) The situation takes care of itself. Millions will be killed in the process.
4) All the SAVE DARFUR activists decide to stop pressing the US Government and get International Rights Organizations to label the crisis a genocide and this finally gets the rest of the world to wake up and do something.
i know my darfur wrote:
and we need the cooperation of russia and china.
How do you suggest the US goes about getting that cooperation?
we also need 17000 un troops on the ground with a chapter 7 peacekeeping mandate, and we need to bring al-bashir and his cronies to justice.
Just where are you going to get 17000 UN troops? Surely you don't support the optics of having 17000 rich, white western troops occupying Africa.
and it is all of our responsibilities to take action now.
That's a nice sentiment, but again, you haven't actually suggested HOW you plan to 'take action now' beyond expecting that SOMEONE ELSE will do SOMETHING that will please YOU.
norwegian in munchen wrote:
how can the u.s. ask for cooperation from russia and china when the commiting genocide in iraq and palestine at the same
time.
Say what? You have an itemization for the number of US troops in Palestine? Do you have any evidence for this 'genocide' in Palestine beyond Palestinians who are killed when the IDF responds to the random targeting of civilian population centers by unguided rockets of terror? Does the IDF actually kill more Palestinians than other Palestinians kill?
the u.s. currently is the world leader in daily murders of unarmed innocent civilians.
Stats to back up this claim beyond your own wishful thinking?
There are other ways to "intervene" than sending in our troops.
norwegian in munchen wrote:
jews weren't the only ones to die in the holocaust as they would have you believe. certainly 6 million jews and arabs plus other semitics were the primary targets due to their half-african heritage. the nazis also murdered 6 million other half-caucasians including russians, poles, slavs, as well as indians, chinese, africans, etc.
Don't forget the Germans also tried to eliminate as many homosexuals and gypsies as possible too. At least they were right on something.
turkey leg wrote:
I just read another article of the f'd up stuff in Darfur. Is it just me or is anyone else ashamed of our government's (and other's) inability to intervene?
What do we have to do fix Darfur?
posting on lets run..is a good start i think.
Sam F wrote:
turkey leg wrote:I just read another article of the f'd up stuff in Darfur. Is it just me or is anyone else ashamed of our government's (and other's) inability to intervene?
What do we have to do fix Darfur?
posting on lets run..is a good start i think.
And the poster could join one of those "die in" thingies--you know, the ones where high school kidz skip skool to "protest" Dafur in the safe, protected, and orderly cities of America.
You could, oh, skip your daily Starbucks run too--that might help.
BeenThere wrote:
You're an idiot. Iraqis kill more Iraqis than the US.
I don't think anyone in the US thinks that's a problem. The problem is we have soldiers dying. We should let iraqis kill iraqis. Darfur is just an African War, there's no genocide, that's almost as bad as saying the holocaust actually happened