More money for testing research/Landis

You hit the nail right on the head. The science is there, but WADA wants results NOW and tries to implement science that isn't fully developed, or, in the case of Landis, allows incompetent scientists to report invalid data. Did you see the actual raw data from the Chatenay Malabry lab? For the T:E test, they generated replicate samples, which is proper, except the results were something like "4.3%" and 11.2%". Replicates of the same sample. A variation that gross should have set off huge red flags that an "out of specification" error occurred (in this case, sample imprecision), an investigation initiated, and the same samples eventually retested. Instead, they identified the "11.2%" result as way above the "legal limit" and just reported that as the final result, apparently with no argument from any auditor. If I reported data like that in my job, based on replicate sample data with that much imprecision, I'd be f***ing fired.

I'm not saying Landis is guilty or not guilty, but the gross misconduct of the science used in his case really screwed him.

You have a very accurate hammer as well.

In the UK there is a suggestion that sports doping becomes a criminal offence.If it is it will be the end of testing as not one of the procedures,from collection to reporting, would meet criminal evidence standards.

I have pointed out,on this board,that the collection testers have not got any peadoflie(sp) checks and so are breaking the law testing minors.Yet this strange world of testing seems isolated from the requirements of real law.

In the Landis case I suspect there is far more to come out about the French lab's lies and incompetance.I think to stop the same mistakes the cost of testing will have to double, at the mininmal.

Landis is dirty (caught) Armstrong was dirty (not caught)

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

I suppose you also think OJ was not guilty just like Landis.(he did find so many inconsistencies with the testing methods)

Have you been following the plot?

We are no longer in the realm of WADA lab issues adverse finding and thus guilt.

If the Paris lab was a forensic lab then it would be closed down and ALL previous tests subject to immeadiate judicial review with massive compensation.WADA know this that is why they are refusing to give in.But all WADA are doing is digging a bigger hole for themselves.This is no longer about guilt or otherwise of Landis.However it may be about the innocence of others positive at Paris or other WADA labs.

you are masking your support of Landis and Armstrong by criticizing the Lab.

I see it. so does everyone else who isn't a BLING supporte of Landis (just like OJ)

Is the lab perfect .. not even close. but did they make an error NO.

I am on the side of justice and esp so when the forces to convict on dodgy WADA science are so great.

There are lab stds set by WADA and ISO 17025.There have a series of breaches;breaches that would be fatal to any case based on normal forensic standards.

The case should fail irrespective of Landis's guilt or otherwise.

BUMP