Comparing Brooks Burn with Wave Riders?

Brooks burn are a little bit different because while they work for Neutral feet, they are almost pigeon-holed for a Supinated foot. It has a lateral arch pod underneath of it which serves as a crashpad. That is where midfoot strikers who supinate rather than pronate will land. It's perfect for midfoot and forefoot strikers who supinate. Also, the Mizuno uses a wave plate and VS1 compound (think another kind of foam) whereas the brooks burn will have a Hydroflow unit in the heel and forefoot. That's basically a thick, plastic, blatter encasement with a liquid silicon inside of it. It will dissipate the impact about 33% better than the Substance 257 midsole foam alone would do. The cool part about that is that it will never wear out. 5 years from now you could cut that cushioning system out of those brooks shoes and put them in another pair of shoes and it'd be just as good as it is today. (Not that you'd do that.) The Burn will be more durable than the riders, but the toe box is a bit tapered more than the Riders.

If you're looking for another neutral good shoe then you should check out the Fila Flow Providence. It's lighter than the Rider, softer, and feels like a bedroom slipper. No overlays and not too much crap going on inside the liner either.

Would the Flow Redemption be a little closer to the Wave Rider than the Providence? It seems like a little bit of a smaller heel/toe drop. and I tend to like lower profile shoes.

Thanks for the thorough response though, very informative.

You may want to try the Gel Nimbus as well its a great top of the the line cushion shoe and very netural.

I believe that the Redemption is closer to the Precision and the Burn.

The Providence and Rider are very similar shoes, and are actually the shoes I'm running in right now.

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You may want to try the Gel Nimbus as well its a great top of the the line cushion shoe and very netural.

No. The Rider and Burn are a completely different feel from the Nimbus. Both Rider and Burn are relatively lightweight for trainers, while the Nimbus is one of the heavier neutral shoes out there; the sole of the Nimbus is far more substantial than the other two. The Nimbus is for someone who really needs the extra cushion and who doesn't mind the extra bulk.

Had 2 pair of Wave Rider9, rotated between the Asics Flash and then Speedstar.

I supinate with my right foot so I picked up a pair of the Burn3 on sale at an expo to try. I have run maybe 3 times in the Burn and can't get comfortable with the shoe, it is too stiff for me. I've been having some PF issues and the Burn seems to aggravate it.

I am going to stick with the Speedstar for daily use and the Brooks T4 for faster stuff.

I will just wear the Burn as a casual shoe.

I like to run in the Burn 3, but wearing it as a casual shoe? That bright blue fabric is too much to be seen outside of the running path.

No. The Rider and Burn are a completely different feel from the Nimbus. Both Rider and Burn are relatively lightweight for trainers, while the Nimbus is one of the heavier neutral shoes out there; the sole of the Nimbus is far more substantial than the other two. The Nimbus is for someone who really needs the extra cushion and who doesn't mind the extra bulk.[/quote]

Actually the Nimbus is only half an ounce heavier then then the Rider and for someone who is running pretty high millage like Shoesareshot is, the extra cushioning might be nice but its just a sugestion.

How would the Saucony Grid Type A fit into this equation? I know it is a lighter training shoe, which I have worn before, but how does it stack up? Any experience?

I love the Type A but I use it for races including the marathon. It's fit is similar to NB's 833 and Wave Precision and it is a little lighter. I run in tne Nimbus maybe just once a week on longer, slower runs.

So I would consider the Type A more of a racing or tempo shoe rather than an every day trainer.

Why not just move to the wave precision?

I tried the Precision Vs... They were pretty good, but I like a little more material under the arch. I guess I really should probably try some of these shoes on first, maybe I can do that this weekend.

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No. The Rider and Burn are a completely different feel from the Nimbus. Both Rider and Burn are relatively lightweight for trainers, while the Nimbus is one of the heavier neutral shoes out there; the sole of the Nimbus is far more substantial than the other two. The Nimbus is for someone who really needs the extra cushion and who doesn't mind the extra bulk.

Actually the Nimbus is only half an ounce heavier then then the Rider and for someone who is running pretty high millage like Shoesareshot is, the extra cushioning might be nice but its just a sugestion.[/quote]

Really? The newer version of the Nimbus must be significantly lighter than some of the previous models. I used the Nimbus from a year ago, and it was a boot compared to the Rider. I prefer the Burn over both of them, or even the Glycerin over the Nimbus.

Yea the new I.G.S material is lighter than both the EVA and SePVA, and and a new arch system that creates a pocket between the Trusstic System device and the midsole. make it a much lighter shoe.