back in the saddle and suspicious of Chebii

He has improved 40 seconds in what? I saw him run 13:12 at Prefontiane last year, and no he hasn't 12:32, and I don't think 13:12 was his PR but 12:58 was. So he's improved by 5 seconds to 12:53 and he has shown in the past on several occasions that he has a crazy kick, he has improved enough to be able to use it.

What Moroccan hold on the sport are you referring to, other than El G who got smacked down in the 5k by a Kenyan, their distance guys get smeared by the Kenyans. You could argue the top Ethiopians are better as individuals but as a team no one touches the Kenyans.

Finally racing in Kenyan can be very different than in Europe because some people don't run as well as altitude as others, guys like Kamathi have done well at altitude well other like Komen have suffered, Bekele even said he felt the altitude messed with him when he raced at the Ethiopian track champs earlier this year, and he's obviously fine now.

Cherono was doped up at Ostrava pal. And the other dominating Moroccan is Khalid Khannouchi I don't think kenyans lay the smack down on him.

Your "evidence" for Chebii doping was that he had improved by 40 seconds. You were, of course, completely wrong in that ignorant statement as Mackenzie pointed out and as Tilastopaja will confirm

http://www.tilastopaja.net/db/atm.asp?ID=303

In the very least this suggests that you should do your homework before throwing around doping accusations. Got any more "evidence"?

(Incidentally, Billy Mills got a 48 second PR in the 1964 Tokyo Olympic 10000 meter finals -- in just one race, not over a whole season -- so something like a 40 second, one-season improvement in the 5k is clearly "possible".)

yo I improve my PR by 10 mins in 6 months with high miles. Does that qualify me as a dirty doper. Cuz I will shit and piss for you all you want. For testing purposes of course.

With documented use by others and all the EPO and who knows what else floating around, these unreal last 200 bursts will obviously create questions. No one in history has closed faster than these guys, if 24 for the last 200 is accurate. Superior training methods can create sub- 13 minute times, but no way training can account for that kind of closing speed in a fast race. Its either dope or vastly superior genetics. Most people seem to brush off the latter, so what is it?

Someone has to be the one who "No one in history...faster". That "someone" changes with time.

In twenty years they'll b e saying Geb couldn't match up with the runners of 2023. Nothing new here.

Joseba,

My sincere condolences on your horrible crash yesterday. Hope you recover well for next year.