I've been enduring mild PF after Chicago. Had been training and racing in ST2s. Switched back to trainers and they helped a little. Then on a whim I broke out the T4s and ran in them last 2 days. PF seems much better, almost completely gone. Can anyone explain why? Seems the opposite of what conventional wisdom would predict. Thanks.
Yes, no need to keep the plantar 'tight' with traditional methods (~orthotics, support). The plantar is meant to be stretched to a degree. You're likely helping to get rid of the scar tissue.
Cuz they're damned good shoes....that's why. Brooks makes nothing but running shoes, no "fashion" crap, soccer shoes, basketball shoes, etc etc. Ran my 20km PR of 60:34 in T4's in February.
jason
MAYEROFF wrote:
Cuz they're damned good shoes....that's why. Brooks makes nothing but running shoes, no "fashion" crap, soccer shoes, basketball shoes, etc etc. Ran my 20km PR of 60:34 in T4's in February.
jason
Mayeroff is dead on
Way back when, two years ago, had crippling PF. After no running, trying all kinds of shoes, I pulled out a pair of T3s I had bought on a whim. Within days I was running pain-free. For me, it was the minimal shoe/lots 'o flex factor. I wish they'd bring back the T3. I'm enjoying the adizero RC now; the T4 upper really sucks - too many overlays.
I used the T4's for 5k race and with NO support within the shoe I developed a light case of PF. . .I would say it is NOT the shoes you switched to, but an act of God that helped your PF go away. . .
Does anybody know what the T4s weigh?
I have been using New Balance RC150s but they have been discontinued and I only have a couple of pairs left. NB flats seem to be getting heavier every year and there is nothing I can find (in running shoes) under 200g. I think the 150s are 160 or 180g - anybody know?
Considering the T4s. Any other minimalist suggestions? Nothing quite as minimal as the H-Streets (I use them for doubles) nor as heavy as most racers (220g is too much) - in between them with regard to weight with good flexibility and as hard wearing as possible.
7.1 oz, size 9.5 t4
opposite wrote:
I used the T4's for 5k race and with NO support within the shoe I developed a light case of PF. . .I would say it is NOT the shoes you switched to, but an act of God that helped your PF go away. . .
What were you training in?
i love the T4's do not get me wrong, they are my racing flat, and will be for a while, but brooks does not just make running shoes. The brooks name only goes on running shoes however they are owned and operated by russell athletics which makes a whole host of things.
I dunno, for me, the T4s fit my foot really well and had a lot of support under the arch, maybe thats what it is. I loved my T4s, they were fantistic shoes. I haven't tried the AdiZeros, but maybe sometime in the future...
Aouita mostversatiledoper ever wrote:
opposite wrote:I used the T4's for 5k race and with NO support within the shoe I developed a light case of PF. . .I would say it is NOT the shoes you switched to, but an act of God that helped your PF go away. . .
What were you training in?
At the time I was training in the Brooks adrenaline, structure triax, and or kayano. .
MAYEROFF wrote:
Cuz they're damned good shoes....that's why. Brooks makes nothing but running shoes, no "fashion" crap, soccer shoes, basketball shoes, etc etc. Ran my 20km PR of 60:34 in T4's in February.
jason
I agree that Brooks makes good shoes but the ST2 is also a Brooks shoe and seems to aggravate PF while the T4 alleviates it. Maybe the curved last makes a diff? Better for a high arch?
Funny but the T4 feels more cushioned. It sure won't last like the ST2 though.
Pantman wrote:
Does anybody know what the T4s weigh?
I have been using New Balance RC150s but they have been discontinued and I only have a couple of pairs left. NB flats seem to be getting heavier every year and there is nothing I can find (in running shoes) under 200g. I think the 150s are 160 or 180g - anybody know?
Considering the T4s. Any other minimalist suggestions? Nothing quite as minimal as the H-Streets (I use them for doubles) nor as heavy as most racers (220g is too much) - in between them with regard to weight with good flexibility and as hard wearing as possible.
The NB 150 is 165g/5.7 oz for a size 9.5. There's a new shoe out this year from them that will weigh less developed in Japan according to my rep.
Training in flats GAVE me PF. Beware.
digger wrote:
The NB 150 is 165g/5.7 oz for a size 9.5. There's a new shoe out this year from them that will weigh less developed in Japan according to my rep.
Thank you very much for the info.
I am VERY excited about the new NB flat - do we have any idea WHEN it is arriving - spring? summer?
Seems like the T4 may be a bit too much weight for me...
The Brooks catalog says 5.9 oz for mens size 9.
Uncle Garth wrote:
The Brooks catalog says 5.9 oz for mens size 9.
Ok - maybe I'll try them while waiting for the new NB shoes.
I had looked at the Japanese NB shoes (as well as Mizuno & Asics) - lots of light racers, but none in my size (US 13).
Russell Athletic bought Brooks two years ago but that hasn't changed how Brooks makes running shoes.
curious runner wrote:
i love the T4's do not get me wrong, they are my racing flat, and will be for a while, but brooks does not just make running shoes. The brooks name only goes on running shoes however they are owned and operated by russell athletics which makes a whole host of things.
It is funny you mentioned the ST2's because those were the only shoes that made my plantar pain come back.
I ran in them a few times and gave them away.
I train a lot in the Saucony Grid Type A's, which are light like the ST2's, but I have no problem with those.