RWTB LT runs vs. Jack Daniels T - Pace? Why such a difference?

"Running With The Buffaloes" is more of a historical novel than a training guide. Stick with Daniels.

i know:

I hope you were being funny, because you're statement made me laugh. But then I thought about it and maybe you have no idea what RWTB is. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...good joke.

In Run With the Best, the given LT pace is really an estimated marathon pace. I think that, for most of the time, longer work at lower intensity produces better results.

In short, Daniels and RWTB are talking about different systems.

As for the math, I can't explain that right now. I'll look to see if they've listed a different formula for performance improvement.

WTF RWTB? its not Chris Lear OMG?

I guess the main thing that is confusing to me is that it seems like RWTB is giving two different paces for LT work.

Through the software it is much slower than the example given in chapter 27 using South Hills. Software gives a pace that is closer to what Daniels would call MP pace. Yet the example gives something far faster than Daniels T-Pace...in fact much closer to what Daniels would call I - Pace.

You know, looking at that chapter in the context of the Hungarian tables, it seems as though that the numbers given are typos. If you add a minute to the given LT paces for the 21 min 5ker, then it makes sense. What do you think?

werwerewr wrwe r we wrote:

I hope you were being funny, because you're statement made me laugh. But then I thought about it and maybe you have no idea what RWTB is. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...good joke.

I hope you are making a joke, because if you think the opposite of what "i know" said -- that's it's more of a training guide than a novel -- the joke's on you.

oh please wrote:

werwerewr wrwe r we wrote:

I hope you were being funny, because you're statement made me laugh. But then I thought about it and maybe you have no idea what RWTB is. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...good joke.

I hope you are making a joke, because if you think the opposite of what "i know" said -- that's it's more of a training guide than a novel -- the joke's on you.

goddamn it, the original poster is not talking about "running with the buffaloes."

you have to be careful of JD T pace. it is an estimation therefore with any predictions it is going to have error.

how much error in the JD LT tables depends on whether you fit the typical average runner profile.......does all your times go across JD paces???...if you don't it will probably be off by quite a bit especially if you have more speed (overestimate) or if you more endurance (underestimate)....

also in reference the two different LT paces.......there are two lactate parameters....the first lactate increase, traditionally called lactate threshold or aerobic threshold (0.4 mmol increase).

and the 2nd maximal steady state lactate threshold which is often referred to anaerobc threshold or OBLA (4 mmol lactate).

any university's human performance lab will be able to measure these indices...it will take all the guesing setting up your training paces...i would be careful getting this test at a private coach/facility there are lot quacks out there.....

Here's a calculator that fine-tunes the charts in DRF.

This has been discussed. RWTB is reserved for Running With the Buffaloes.

CCR = Creedence Clearwater Revival

this is great calculator that takes into account elevations and windspeed but it still doesn't take into account the differences in runners inherent(genetic) speed vs endurance ability.

It predicts these thresholds off one race distance....like stated above if you don't fit an average runner profile (meaning your times don't go straight across the vdot tables ) it can really underestimate or overestimate your training paces.

if the calculator allowed you to enter multiple races over a variety of distances then calculated some kind of average then this might work better for runners who don't have an "average" profile...

The calculator coupled with the RWTB software takes in a single performance and gives three possible outputs (one who's speed is better than endurance, one with equal speed/endurance ability, and one who has either maxed out on endurance, or needs to work on speed).

how much of a drop off is calculated if you're a speedster or endurance type? + or - 1 vdot value?