NAIA AND SCHOLARSHIPS-FAIR?

The NAIA, aka..National Association of International Athletes :), has 18 scholarships for men and women each I think.

Not sure on the limits, but you will be very, very hard pressed to find more than a few (if any) with that much money.

yea most schools don't have that much $, as far as the top rated schools, some have a lot and some have very little. I've heard some of the schools like virginia intermont have lots (explains the foreigners). Concordia I dont know. OBU probably has a fair amount. Westmont doesn't have that much I don't think. Simply varies due to school.

Westmont has more than they want you to belive they do. All of the top teams scholarship levels are pretty high. I will give you that some do a better job recruiting high level talent and managing it, others do a good job recruiting average talent and making it better. You just have to look at the school over the years and see how their success has come - coaching or management - the dollars are about the same.

One thing to remember about NAIA schools is that they can stack scholarships. You can get a 50% tution athletic scholarship and have the rest filled in with academic aid or some other type of scholarship program.

naiaER wrote:

yea most schools don't have that much $, as far as the top rated schools, some have a lot and some have very little. I've heard some of the schools like virginia intermont have lots (explains the foreigners). Concordia I dont know. OBU probably has a fair amount. Westmont doesn't have that much I don't think. Simply varies due to school.

to naiaER:

Look, I go to one of those schools and your "guess" on how many scholarships the cross country program gets is completey incorrect. You need to stop talking about stuff you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE ABOUT. You do not attend any of those schools, so there is no possible way you can even know other than by what you have heard.

This thread is completey rediculous, I don't even understand the point. You compete with who you compete with no matter the number of scholarships. It seems to me the orignal poster is just wanting to complain about how his team does not have many scholarships and so gets beaten by teams with lots of scholarships, if thats the case, man up and work you butt off to beat them, then its all the sweater. So lets stop speculating on how many scholarships cross programs get and just train or talk about something else. There is no way any accurate information will be gained from this thread.

First off, the NAIA maximum allotment of aid for track is 12 scholarships (Fullrides) (12 for men and 12 for women) and 5 for cross country.

I know for a fact that OBU has the full allocation.

My old school is a top 25 team and they only get 1.25 scholarships for XC.

Having been around the NAIA and speaking to a lot of athletes and coaches, I think it say to say that the top 10 teams are all at or close to full funding--either by the institution or outside sources. From #20 on down you will find most schools will average around 2-4 thousand dollars for cross country and 2-5 thousand for track.

Aid in the NAIA really varies. One school may offer a lot in athletic aid and not much in academic aid. Another school may just the opposite. The important thing to look at is the bottom line. What will you have to pay to attend school there? Ultimately, do you really care how the aid is labeled? Or, do you just care that you get it?

Mr. Smith. your response is a typical NAIA thread response. Hatred and negative. I am sure the original poster did not intented it to be that way. He is right. There is a huge variation in the NAIA as far as scholarships go. In the region with Missouri Baptist, Lindenwood, Mid America, William Woods, Missouri Valley, William Jewell, Baker, Central Methodist, the variation is incredible. Schools like Central Methodist, William Jewell, Missouri Valley, William Woods, and Hannibal Lagrange give small amounts of aid compared to Lindenwood, Mo Bap, and Mid America. Thats why they are laced with foreigners. I think a really good runner with good grades could go to Missouri Valley, Central Methodist, or William Woods for like 6,500-7,500. Which is not bad, but at the others they can go for much cheaper. Schools like Oklahoma Baptist can give some full rides I believe or get close to it. I do think this helps to get the really good athletes to these schools and harder for some to do it. Says much about a program who consistently wins with little scholarships.

Okay, I have to step in here.

William Woods is well funded and toward the top of the thier Region. Lindenwood is top, MidAmerica is second (outside sources) and William Woods is right on MNU's heels. MoBap was high, but now they are not.

You are correct about the rest of the region, Baker, Benedictine, Central Methodist, Evangel, Graceland, Hanibal, McKendree, Missouri Valley, William Jewell are all at about the same level of funding.. which is middle of the road at best.

No, what I am saying is there is no way to know how many scholarships a school gives out and furthermore how many of those scolarships are allocated soley to track or soley to cross country; furthermore, most student athletes at these schools only have a vague idea of the amount of scholarships allocated at their school much less any other school. Almost all specualtion is just that, pointless speculation that will only serve to make people angry. It does not matter how many scholarships a school has, you still have to compete with them.

I in no way ment any offense to the origanl poster (or any hatred or negativity and do not feel my post conveyed any of that) , and I don't know that he was posting for the reseasons I suggested but what I was trying to say is that no matter the number of scholarships you still have to beat the team, at Louisville no one cares how many scholorships a team has, just how fast they can run.

Vin was able to attract dozens and dozens of FL finalists in his time at Stanford and is starting the same up at Oregon. He's not getting them all track scholarships. When you have an athletic department that is on your side and will get the financial aid office on your side then you're set. He gets lots of talent but doesn't exceed scholarship limits for his teams, he gets help from other sources of funding outside of the athletic department.

William Woods has the same scholarship structure that Central Methodist, Jewell, and Baker have. They have no runner going to school for less than 6,500-7,000. How do I know this, because I applied for a job there awhile back and their scholarship structure is capped. I know what all the sports can give and they have a limit. They seem to have an advantage over central methodist, baker, jewell, and others in that they only recruit distance and middle distance runners. 7,000 will not get the 24:30 guys for any team and allow them to keep them!

The last time I checked, 12.5 scholarships is the men's TnF/XC NCAA legal athletic scholarship limit, and 2.1 additional academic scholarships is the legal academic scholarship limit. Question: If we are to assume at the University of Oregon the full athletic/academic scholarship limit is used, is Vin within the legal parameters here? That issue was in question during his coaching tenure at Stanford (for examole his wife worked in the Stanford grant office) but the Vinnie lovers kept sweeping it under the rug. Things might be shady at Oregon but Vin Lananna does so much for American track & field is it worth the trouble if he fudges on the rules? Maybe he should get a free pass on the NCAA scholarship limits.

How do you know that William Woods doesn't have an advantage over Central Methodist, Baker, Jewell and others? Have you applied for jobs at those schools too?

So what job did you apply for? Was it Moreno's position? Were you interviewed? Honestly. How do you know what you say you know? I have applied for lots of jobs, but that doesn't mean I know the inter-workings of those places.

I wouldn't consider myself amont the Vin lovers and I don't think he really does so much for US TF. If he cared that much about it he'd forget the college sham and just go do something like what Dick Brown has been trying. I think Lanana utilized need-based aid at Stanfrd but don't know how that applies at Oregon. Maybe Nike's funnelling a lot of aid money to and through the financial aid office with stipulations that it be earmarked for students that happen to have been FL finalists.

can you answer a question, those athletes that are offered a full ride, to Div 1 school, are they generally offered a full ride a year at a time? or do they get an up front full ride for their entire 5yrs of eligability? Whatt the general way its done?

One year at a time.

naia... wrote:

The NAIA, aka..National Association of International Athletes :), has 18 scholarships for men and women each I think.

You THINK? Each school is different. Malone has 9 full rides for track and cc. Walsh, just a few miles away has 1.5 full rides for track and cc. Hazen used to have a few more until football came along.

One more time...

"the NAIA maximum allotment of aid for track is 12 scholarships (Fullrides) (12 for men and 12 for women) and 5 for cross country."

Now, how many scholarships are alloted by the institutions up to the NAIA maximum amount varies greatly from school to school.