IVY XC PREDICTIONS

fairly knowledge-able wrote:

MEN

Princeton

Brown

Dartmouth

are you serious?

Whoa...a sweep for the Tigers, eh?

brown will not beat dartmouth

I think what you mean is look for Dartmouth to break up Princeton's pack of proven track guys with proven cross guys (who really have no buisness being that far up based on PRs).

Also look for Dartmouth to have another ace up their sleeve, as their team is joined by another yet to be named transfer.

This is cross boys, track times don't mean shit... unless your #1 runner threw down a sub four mile on three weeks of running.

My predictions.

Heps is a dual meet between Dartmouth and Princeton. Both finish top 15 at NCAAs, one of them cracks the top 10.

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Dartmouth takes 1, 3, 5, 9, 11 to score 28 and win

You sick jokes who keep judging Heps XC like it's a 5k clearly haven't gone to an Ivy school.

bumping this to the top. nothing funnier than a bunch of rich kids arguing about which ivy is better.

1,3,5,9, AND 11?

please, they'll be lucky to have 3 in the top 10 this year. True should win but he is just a whiteboy and thus has the potential to pussy out. I'd say they'll score 45 best case scenario.

TPaine wrote:

nothing funnier than a bunch of rich kids arguing about which ivy is better.

Kind of like the Family Guy joke about the "drive-by arguments" in England.

Checked the Cornell women's roster.

Interesting: 40 women listed, with fewer than a quarter of them frosh, and nearly half sophs. Don't know whether that's a roster-in-progress, in which case more newcomers might appear later, or whether CU has shifted to a quality-not-quantity approach.

One of the rookies ran a 10:56 (full two-mile) in HS, but most of the rest--including a couple five-minute-mile types--seem oriented to middle-distance. (No surprise there, given Cornell's 400/800/1500 success in recent seasons.) Any chance the newcomers can help the Red finish higher in the Heps? Is a top-three finish a realistic possibility?

The men's roster definitely appears incomplete. Thirty guys listed, some with info missing. I believe they lost one of their top-five returnees--haven't heard much beyond that.

therunnerformerlyknownasprince wrote:

1,3,5,9, AND 11?

please, they'll be lucky to have 3 in the top 10 this year. True should win but he is just a whiteboy and thus has the potential to pussy out. I'd say they'll score 45 best case scenario.

well, dartmouth returns runners who were 1,4,7 last year (and 1,2,4,6,8 of the returnees) so it seems pretty likely to me

Columbia's recent history in XC has been too good to rank the men and women that low. I expect them to be strong on both sides.

harvard will be better than its last few years. they brought in a good coach, and he has a few solid guys returning, plus a solid recruiting class. they will be taking more of an iona college mentality now, and training hard, and I think youll see more bright spots than usual, along with some fast times as well. well see, but that is my prediction. dont sleep on them yet

The Penn women placed 3rd last year and return the ENTIRE team. I don't think they will win, but to have them fall downward 2 places is ludicrous.

Princeton women look crazy loaded. No roster up yet, but they recruited well:

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46891&SPID=4272&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=587901

Five women under 5:00 wasn't as big a deal 20-30 years ago, but nowadays that's an impressive group of recruits.

From the Cornell media guide:

"Six of the top seven from the NCAA regional squad return.

"Newcomers may also play a role once again for the Big Red in 2006 as a slew of talented freshmen are coming in. Headliners include New Yorker Owen Kimple, who ran 4:07 to win the state title in the 1,600 after placing fourth in states in cross-country and helping his team to a No. 2 showing at nationals, as well as Charlie Hatch, who won the Illinois Class A state cross country championship as a junior when he ran 1:53/4:14 before placing 12th in the ultra-competitive Footlocker Midwest regional as a senior. Pete Loy of Michigan also could impress as he won the Division 1 state 3,200 crown as a senior. Don't overlook Dale Taylor, who was third in the 1,600 in New Jersey."

Two returners, Walsh and Wyner, "decided to train at high altitude prior to this cross country season."

More on the frosh: Kimple 9:02, Hatch 15:15 5k (track??), Loy 9:22, Taylor 9:22/4:18. Plus 8-10 others.

FWIW the Red recruited handsomely in the jumps, throws, and hurdles (again) and has a ton of returning/incoming strength in the middle distances (again). So they definitely should contend for the win in track (again), but I'd say cross is a question mark--they actually might be very, very good this year, but there are lots of variables...

http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/corn/sports/m-xc/auto_pdf/0607Track1_28

BRF wrote:

From the Cornell media guide:

Don't overlook Dale Taylor, who was third in the 1,600 in New Jersey."

Taylor 9:22/4:18.

Dale Taylor is a nice kid, very good track runner, but he gets a little, um, bogged down on the hills. Not likely to help Cornell this year in cross.

Hills are gay. Like Cornell.

As the coach of the Cornell squad, I won't comment on our squad's chances but I will correct a few errors in the media guide.

One guy quit the team so 5 of 7 return in xc.

The times for the frosh aren't totally right as well. Not sure where those came from. Certainly wasn't me.

Kimple ran a 407 for 1600 (not mile) and I think 9:10 - definitely not 9:02.

Hatch ran like 153/414 or something like that. Loy 927 not 922. Taylor ran 929 not 922.

My only comment is that the first post in this thread has to be a joke. The most realistic preview can be found in the Princeton media guide. The one here is a joke based on last year's results.

Results of CU's first meet (against Army):

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-xc/stats/2006-2007/mxc_army.html

Baird was DNF, apparently. Frosh Doug Gibbons finished in the Red's top seven. According to Google, he's maybe a 9:54?

Women cruised:

http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/w-xc/stats/2006-2007/wxc_army.html