Maybe a crazy question, but here goes. Is there a slight advantage in running from West to East in a race as compared to running from East to West? It seems like you would run a little faster going WITH the rotation than against it.
Logical? Comments? Has anyone ever done a study on this? Do they take this into account at the Olympics, etc.?
Only if the airplane on the treadmill was heading in that particular direction.
if you were running into the rotation not only would you be going to the finish, but the finish would be moving towards you.
no, there is no advantage. its called frame of reference.
i shall go look that up then.
Wouldn't there be a slight wind resistance going against the rotation as opposed to going into it? The earth is spinning faster than anyone can run - wouldn't that fact favor running with the rotation? I vote yes.
No, there is no wind resistence, because earth has an atmosphere, and it moves with the earth. If there were wind resistence, wouldn't we constantly feel a 1000mph wind?
ZZZZboy wrote:
Logical? Do they take this into account at the Olympics, etc.?
Of course this is logical. And yes... apparently that's why tracks are oval shaped. They want to make sure all performances are equal with regard to rotation, just like how the Omlympic Commitee controls race temperature, altitude effects and wind speed.
jose ole wrote:
Of course this is logical. And yes... apparently that's why tracks are oval shaped. They want to make sure all performances are equal with regard to rotation, just like how the Omlympic Commitee controls race temperature, altitude effects and wind speed.
Actually running counterclockwise on an oval track gives a slight advantage to races run in the northern hemisphere. This is due to the Coriolis effect.
Bullshit.
fa real wrote:
Actually running counterclockwise on an oval track gives a slight advantage to races run in the northern hemisphere. This is due to the Coriolis effect.
Further to this, there is the recently discovered effects of the extra mass contained in continental Europe due to all the mountains in the Alps, Pyrinees, etc.
The extra matter there causes slight warpings in the space, making a meter distance there actually a tiny bit shorter than a meter measured elsewhere on the planet.
This in part explains why so many of the fast times have been set in Europe.
fa real wrote:
jose ole wrote:Of course this is logical. And yes... apparently that's why tracks are oval shaped. They want to make sure all performances are equal with regard to rotation, just like how the Omlympic Commitee controls race temperature, altitude effects and wind speed.
Actually running counterclockwise on an oval track gives a slight advantage to races run in the northern hemisphere. This is due to the Coriolis effect.
Oh man, That is too funny.
It makes sense that there would be an advantage to running one direction over another.
Ever notice that when you jump straight up you land a little to the front, back or side depending on which direction you are facing with respect to the rotation of the Earth?
This all ofcourse depends on whether or not ZZZZboy was serious about his original post. If he was seriously asking that question then this is sad, but if he was joking like most of the other people on this are then this is really funny.
fa real wrote:Actually running counterclockwise on an oval track gives a slight advantage to races run in the northern hemisphere. This is due to the Coriolis effect.
I haven't thought about it before but you are absolutely correct. There should be an ajustment made for the southern Hemi records, i.e. Petter Snell's 3:54.1 WR in 1964 may actually be worth a 3:54.0 or faster even. We adjust for altitude and wind not we should also adjust for this to make all records equal.
The Coriolis effect effects free floating particles in our atmosphere (also includes the Earth's water). A particle in the air for instance in the Northern Hemisphere bends to the right because of the earth's rotation and also gravitational force to the equator.
THIS HAS NO EFFECT ON A RUNNER ON A TRACK. I'm sorry to be the one to break the news to you.
otter wrote:
The Coriolis effect effects free floating particles in our atmosphere (also includes the Earth's water). A particle in the air for instance in the Northern Hemisphere bends to the right because of the earth's rotation and also gravitational force to the equator..
All of you, right now, get back on the short bus.
You guys are looking at this all wrong. It's about frame of reference -- but not with respect to the Earth -- with respect to the absolute center of the universe! It has to do with dark matter and where it is flowing in relation to your position against the center of the universe. I mean, it's totally obvious that, due to the laws of Entropy (S), dark matter is also moving away from the center of the universe. Therefore, when you are running with your back to the center of the universe, you are running with dark matter to your back. And since dark matter accounts for 90% of the energy in the universe...that's a major aid to you for those few moments.
Unfortunately, however, we cannot run fast enough to have our back to the exact center of the universe but for one moment a day, tops.
Dr. We got a bleeder! wrote:
You guys are looking at this all wrong. It's about frame of reference -- but not with respect to the Earth -- with respect to the absolute center of the universe! It has to do with dark matter and where it is flowing in relation to your position against the center of the universe. I mean, it's totally obvious that, due to the laws of Entropy (S), dark matter is also moving away from the center of the universe. Therefore, when you are running with your back to the center of the universe, you are running with dark matter to your back. And since dark matter accounts for 90% of the energy in the universe...that's a major aid to you for those few moments.
Unfortunately, however, we cannot run fast enough to have our back to the exact center of the universe but for one moment a day, tops.
LOL. Post of the day!
rotationadjustment wrote:
...to make all records equal.
All records are not equal. Did you not see Herb Elliott's 1960 Olympic victory in Rome? There was guts all over the track after that race. That has never happened before or since. Also, 3:35.6 in the Eternal City is worth a lot quicker in other places...