if a male has PR's of 4:30 mile, 15:44 5k.....what do you think the female equivalent to this would be????
if a male has PR's of 4:30 mile, 15:44 5k.....what do you think the female equivalent to this would be????
4:55 & 7:15
17:15
5:25; 18:40
Stopwatches know no difference.A 4:30 runner a 4:30 runner
17:00-10 and 4:50-55 areas would seem right for an adult mayhe a tad longer in a HS gged gal.
wineturtle wrote:
17:00-10 and 4:50-55 areas would seem right for an adult mayhe a tad longer in a HS gged gal.
no way! 4:30/15:44 are decent recreationally competitive times for a male runner. Sub 5 and around 17 for a female puts them in the highly competitive category. In the 16's and you're talking sub-elite level. These are NOT comparable.
As an example, the male times are commendable D3 performances. Does not even qualify for post-season competition, however. The female times you'd mentioned are competitive D1 times. May not be quite national caliber, but certainly way out of the 4:30/15:44 guy's league.
riptide wrote:
"jam out with your clam out"
Thank you.
I just wrote that wonderful quote on my hand to make sure I don't forget it.
more importantly, what is the female equivalent to "hang out with your wang out/rock out with your cock out"
the best my friends and i can come up with is "jam out with your clam out"
this should really be its own thread[/quote]
[quote]riptide wrote:
Damn it, now I am going to lunch trying to get you another answer. Thanks a lot...
4:30 miler for male competitive on a local level..on a national level they would need to run AT LEAST a 4:15...Therefore, for a female a 4:50 would put them to be competitive on the national level so I would say 5:05-5:10 for a female is equivilant to a male 4:30 miler.
For a 15:44 5k male, that would put on the state level but he would need to run around 15:15 to be conisdered national calibur. So I would say 18:00-18:15 would be it for female since a 17:30 would be good enough to be considered a national contender.
getting warmer, I suppose, though I still contend you're giving the guy WAY too much credit for those times.
At the D3 level, most comparable to this discussion, a 4:30/15:44 guy is a role player. A 5:10/18:15 woman is going to be all-conference and all-region and a team leader at all but the top programs.
You can't tell me those are equivalent.
equal gender amendment wrote:
Stopwatches know no difference.A 4:30 runner a 4:30 runner
I laughed so hard at this for some reason...hahaha I think it was because of the name you chose.
I think your failing to recognize just how much more competative the male side of the sport is and how little depth there really is on the female side.
The male 5k record is like 12:37, and the womens I believe is around 14:30 - about 1.15 times the male record. 1.15 times 15:44 is 18:06.
The fact that a 5:10/18:15 female can be all conference relects just how little talent there is in female track once you get away from the very top end. Further, to compare the 4:30/15:44 guy to the 5:30/19:45 female who will achieve similar conference placings is an insult to the male who has much more talent, or has work much harder, to achieve a comperable placing against much better competition than his female counterpart. Such a comparison misses the mark by a long shot - sort of like saying the 10th place guy at the Kenyan national championships 5K is only as good as the 10th place guy at the US 5K championships because they were both 10th at a national championship.
Those are good highschool PRs for a decent guy. Similar for a girl I would say are low-mid 18's and 5:teens
I would say it is about 30-1min depends on how elite the women is.
heres some examples
4:00 min guys mile= 4:33 girls
4:30 guys= 5:10 girls
5:00 guys = 5:50 girls
13min 5k guys = 14:40girls
14mins= 16:00 girls
15mins= 17:10 girls
16mins= 18:25 girls
17mins= 19:40
18mins= 20:50
I guess I can buy that. It was the 4:55/17:10 I was having some trouble swallowing. I would definitely agree that qualifying standards are looser on the women's side due to lack of depth.
Anyways, I think we're into the right ballpark at least.
Joggers World wrote:
I think your failing to recognize just how much more competative the male side of the sport is and how little depth there really is on the female side.
The male 5k record is like 12:37, and the womens I believe is around 14:30 - about 1.15 times the male record. 1.15 times 15:44 is 18:06.
The fact that a 5:10/18:15 female can be all conference relects just how little talent there is in female track once you get away from the very top end. Further, to compare the 4:30/15:44 guy to the 5:30/19:45 female who will achieve similar conference placings is an insult to the male who has much more talent, or has work much harder, to achieve a comperable placing against much better competition than his female counterpart. Such a comparison misses the mark by a long shot - sort of like saying the 10th place guy at the Kenyan national championships 5K is only as good as the 10th place guy at the US 5K championships because they were both 10th at a national championship.
The top female athlete(s) outperforms her competitors by a wider margin than does the male. In other words, it is in the nature of female sport that the champion will be further ahead of her competitors than will the male. That doesn't make her superior to the male, anymore than does the fact that males are more tightly bunched make them inferior to the woman.
M: 3'26"00 / 4:10.0 (4:30.0)
W: 3'50"46 / 4:39.7 (5:02.1)
M: 12'37"35 / 15:44.0
W: 14'24"53 / 17:57.6
So 5:02/17:57.6, I was definately way off with the 5k before.
"....the nature of female sport...." What the heck does that mean? Female sports are less competitive so there is a larger spread.
It's true... how many Deena Kastors would we find if more women tried competitive running? To take it a step further, what if all of them ran 130-150 mile weeks like she and Paula Radcliffe does?