the day jakob ran 7:17 what could have droped for a 5k?

Under 12:30.

I think his fitness was probably perfectly geared for a fast 3k going into the race, given he had geared his preparation around a fast 1500 and a tactical 5k for the olympics. I think he could have certainly gotten the world record in a 5000m, but I don't think he would have run the equivalent of a 7:17.

This is one of those things that sounds smart but just isn't.

12:30, OP.

Unfortunately, we may never know the answer to that question. It’s a shame because I’ve never bought the narrative that Jakob was the best over 5000m. He raced it once per year and was almost always overshadowed statistically by an Ethiopian or another African.

Someone doesn’t train for a tactical 5000m. Just like for the 1500m, he needs to have maximum fitness for the distance and to be capable of following 12:45 pace if needed.

12:29 or so.

but he didn’t

No of course not. But he was so good that day he might have run 12:36 or so.

No, but under the WR for sure. I would take anywhere from 12:30-12:34 that day, but we will never know.

People looooove to say "narrative."

We don’t have to worry about that anymore … it’s all over now.

Maybe you should read what you type before posting. Your title doesn't make any sense.

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The scoring tables show 12:30.68.

Jakob averaged 58.34 for his 3k WR. If you add 1s/400m to 59.4 a lap then you get 12:22. Just for comparison I looked up Bekele's 3k and 5k. His 3k averages 59.43/400m and his 5k averages 60.58. The longer the race goes, the better KB gets which is likely the inverse of Jakob. Let's say we add 1.5s/400m for Jakob's 3k for 59.84/400m average over 5k and we get 12:28.00. That is much more in line with the scoring tables.

I suppose 12:22 is possible but you would be assuming perfect conditions and that Jakob is a better 5k tt runner than Bekele. I'm only comparing 2 guys but it is a decent comparison.

Interestingly enough, 12:22 scores out very close to the absurd Bolt marks of 9.58/19.19 in the 1350's. You'd be talking about a mark likely to withstand multiple generations of athletes, tech advances, and whatever new PED's are being used.

Think of Jakob's potential best times from 1500 to 5k as a parabola. The 3k is the vertex because the 3k is his best event. These are the points of his parabola using the scoring tables.

1500: 1292
2000: 1307
3000: 1320
4000: 1307
5000: 1292

The 5000 would be the same level as the 1500. A 1292 score is 12:38. That is what he would have run.

What a load of crap lol.

The closet 3k time to Jakob was Daniel Komen, who ran 7:20. Komen also ran 3:29 and 12:39. He's slightly more distance oriented than Jakob as he's 3 seconds slower in the 1500 and also only 3 seconds slower in the 3k. Going off this I don't see how Jakob is significantly faster than Komen in the 5k. Komen probably could have run slightly faster in the 5k to be honest on a perfect day like when he ran the 7:20. Maybe 12:37? I'd guess Jakob would be roughly 12:35.

Aregawi has run 7:21 and 12:40 while being more distance oriented than Jakob. With the 4 second gap between their 3ks, I don't see how the gap on the 5ks would be more than 5 seconds. I think this reinforces the 12:35ish number.

12:39 at best

There's no way Cheptgai is better at the 5000 than Ingebrigtsen.

lol. Always the “”muh Africans” crowd has to rationalize beyond reality. Three world level golds in a row (two WCs and one Oly) but Jakob wasn’t really the best. Of course Hocker was even luckier than Jakob last summer.

In what way? Is the 3k not the nexus of Jakob's powers?