Cooper Lutkenhaus 400/1500 potential

Utahrunr wrote:

Looks like his last 1600 was in 8th grade with a 4:45 which is great. I'd love to see him choose to go up instead of down. He's ran decent cross for his grade.

Link:www.athletic.net/athlete/30245014/trac...

Utahrunr wrote:

Looks like his last 1600 was in 8th grade with a 4:45 which is great. I'd love to see him choose to go up instead of down. He's ran decent cross for his grade.

Link:www.athletic.net/athlete/30245014/trac...

Jgt11 wrote:

Let's wait on him to break 46 or 4:00 first before we declare him anything other than an 800 specialist. His coach's comments seem to hint that he's better at the 400 then the 1500/mile but long term his endurance should catch up

Sigh.. wrote:

Jgt11 wrote:

Let's wait on him to break 46 or 4:00 first before we declare him anything other than an 800 specialist. His coach's comments seem to hint that he's better at the 400 then the 1500/mile but long term his endurance should catch up

Yes. He’s an 800 specialist. But he can specialize in whatever he wanted.

he ran 45.3r and 4:06 mile. Both are otherworldly. If he focused on the 400 exclusively, he probably splits 44 as soph last year.

if he focused on the mile, he probably breaks 4 last year.

Kickers usually win wrote:

Utahrunr wrote:

Looks like his last 1600 was in 8th grade with a 4:45 which is great. I'd love to see him choose to go up instead of down. He's ran decent cross for his grade.

Link:www.athletic.net/athlete/30245014/trac...

It’s not really a choice. If it turns out that he is capable of running the 400m in the mid-40s, he won’t be nearly as good in the 1500m as he is in the 800m. Moving up to the 1500m was not an option for Juantorena.

Kickers usually win wrote:

Sigh.. wrote:

Yes. He’s an 800 specialist. But he can specialize in whatever he wanted.

he ran 45.3r and 4:06 mile. Both are otherworldly. If he focused on the 400 exclusively, he probably splits 44 as soph last year.

if he focused on the mile, he probably breaks 4 last year.

No, he can’t specialize in whatever he wants. Either he’s 400/800m, or he’s not. Specific training won’t change genetics. Based on the WA points table, 1:42.2 is equivalent to 3:45.5, so 4:00 is not otherworldly in comparison.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

His coach Chris Capeau on the podcast today said he was doing speed workouts that made him think 44.xx is possible. I think we will see. If he does a mile perhaps the B mile at Prefontaine? I think he will have plenty of opportunities to run fast 400s. 1500s are also around, but more special to see him in the mile.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

His coach Chris Capeau on the podcast today said he was doing speed workouts that made him think 44.xx is possible. I think we will see. If he does a mile perhaps the B mile at Prefontaine? I think he will have plenty of opportunities to run fast 400s. 1500s are also around, but more special to see him in the mile.

Zeropercent wrote:

1500 world record pace is 55 pace (after 41 opening 300) aka 1:50 800 pace. I know we’re thinking of him as more of a 4/8 guy but come on…get this 1:42 low kid who’s growing by the day, put him in a paced 1500 and who knows what will happen. I don’t even know if he has any 16/15 marks from high school.

Regardless, should be fun to watch him the rest of the year.

Zeropercent wrote:

Kickers usually win wrote:

No, he can’t specialize in whatever he wants. Either he’s 400/800m, or he’s not. Specific training won’t change genetics. Based on the WA points table, 1:42.2 is equivalent to 3:45.5, so 4:00 is not otherworldly in comparison.

I agree on the genetics aspect, but I also think people sometimes underestimate how much shorter a 1500 is than a 1609.

zero thinking wrote:

Zeropercent wrote:

I agree on the genetics aspect, but I also think people sometimes underestimate how much shorter a 1500 is than a 1609.

Please give me a short list of all the 1500m speciaists, who did not have enough endurance to compete at 1 mile.

Kickers usually win wrote:

Sigh.. wrote:

Yes. He’s an 800 specialist. But he can specialize in whatever he wanted.

he ran 45.3r and 4:06 mile. Both are otherworldly. If he focused on the 400 exclusively, he probably splits 44 as soph last year.

if he focused on the mile, he probably breaks 4 last year.

No, he can’t specialize in whatever he wants. Either he’s 400/800m, or he’s not. Specific training won’t change genetics. Based on the WA points table, 1:42.2 is equivalent to 3:45.5, so 4:00 is not otherworldly in comparison.

zero thinking wrote:

Zeropercent wrote:

I agree on the genetics aspect, but I also think people sometimes underestimate how much shorter a 1500 is than a 1609.

Please give me a short list of all the 1500m speciaists, who did not have enough endurance to compete at 1 mile.

Sigh.. wrote:

Kickers usually win wrote:

No, he can’t specialize in whatever he wants. Either he’s 400/800m, or he’s not. Specific training won’t change genetics. Based on the WA points table, 1:42.2 is equivalent to 3:45.5, so 4:00 is not otherworldly in comparison.

He doesn’t have to change his genetics. At the same age, he ran as fast as Webb and faster than Jim Ryun did in the mile in an off event - also Olympic Champs Centro & Hocker.

All while focusing on the 400/800 - and in his first attempt. Sounds like he is pretty great genetics to me.

Also remember he ran a 9:20-low 3200m before his sophomore year. With 25 last 200m so he had plenty left in the tank.