Fraud at NCAA Indoors? Was this long jump qualifying mark legit?

"You get a PB, you get a PB, and you get a PB!" What Oprah the official at this meet?

This kind of stuff happens at small meets all the time I was at a NAIA hosted meet and samething happens they had the triple jump measured and jump from different spots idk why but everyone had 5ish feet prs but no one was good so no one noticed once the results were posted

There could be video. I've had athletes race there and usually lots of filming for Milesplit, etc.

Youngstown is in the Appalachian foothills and the jumpers get the benefit of altitude.

Shame on that coach! The Duquesne coach knows damn well she did not jump that, especially in the middle of a multi! And she declared her anyway. She is going to go out there and jump 18 feet in a competition with girls jumping 21-22 feet!

"fraud?" you went there that fast without even looking at the schools and infrastructure involved? what i see is a bunch of third rate d2 schools with limited facilities -- slippery rock is the only one with an indoor track, and it's an old, flat, rubberized 200m setup. are they training outside in the winter in OH/PA? off campus?

and then youngstown has a very nice looking if unusual 300m mondo track. like a nice outdoors surface. surrounding an indoor turf football field.

they go to y state and suddenly get to use a swank mondo setup with indoor conditions. PR City.

There are some big improvements at the Horizon League Championships as well (hosted by YSU).

also, y state seems to be the place to go for some of these schools, the duquesne girl has maybe 2/3 of her meets there. no surprise, PR there.

personally would suggest to me the girls are under-served on facilities and could be better if their schools had better setups. teams i'd heard of might be training indoors at some elevated track above the gym floor, no competition track inside, and have no field setups. you either go train in the cold outside or you improvise or you turn road meets into training days with some official marks at the end.

if they suddenly turn you loose, rested, at some nice setup, that maybe you do other regular season meets at, you know your marks well, you're rested for a change, fast surface......boom.

That's nothing compared to the slow clock they use at BU!! I looked at the last couple years results and more than half the field never ran faster anywhere else.

for example, i'd be stunned how bad the times and distances were for the small town HS divisions at state. like JV times i could do in my sleep.

and then you realize, these are schools with 100 kids and no track to run around. doing 4 meets a year counting the state progression. meet day arrives, ok, these things are called spikes, see how fast you can run in them. hurdles, runner. runner, hurdles. i don't think you've met. no jump pit. no throw circle. they probably run around the football field or something.

yeah, it's probably PR or DQ/NM.

also, if you had someone mis-measuring marks off the wrong spot, you'd think it would be a consistent error. everyone gets a foot extra. the y state "bump" instead varies from 1/6m (what's that, 6 inches?) to 1/2m (foot and a half). so it's not some goofy official making a consistent mistake.

to me it's more likely the setups in the area are meh -- i mean one team is going to d3 allegheny for a meet -- and then suddenly you get a nice, climate controlled football area with a fresh mondo speedy track. speed is a lot for jumpers. it's throw your marks off but some compete there regularly, and if you get takeoff sorted, probably glorious. nicer than the rubber stuff many of us saw.

Yeah, I agree, it happens, but rarely. I think there was a meet at Case a while back where they started everyone from the wrong spot for the 60m (maybe the 55m start?) and literally everyone PRed, almost comically so. And then a handful of those kids qualified for Nats and weren't competitive at all.

Stand by for a day or two - I'm running an analysis on TFRRS results to see if there's anything going on here. Will report the results

Love the witch hunt that anyone not p4 who hits a big mark must have been invalid. Like that’s completely unusual to happen in the jumps

I ran a ~1:30 800m relay split at an indoor meet in highschool. They rang the bell a lap early...

I noticed this mark a while back. It's pretty obvious when you look at the other marks and what the competitors "typically" jump that this is a mismeasure.

My guess is they used laser measurements and made an error in what is called the "offset" distance. It's actually an easy mistake to make. I work with a power 5 school on their home meets and over the years it has happened twice. Both times it was caught during the competition and the incorrect marks were adjusted to be correct once the difference in the offset was calculated.

Favorable measurements in jumps is certainly a thing. Usually done by someone with little track experience who ended up in a volunteer role with a shortage of availability.

I don't know if that explains why jumpers from YSU are also improving.

I actually had one occasion to observe an official who I know officiates at YSU when he wrote down the wrong mark for one of the jumps (this was at a different place). I think this official has trouble hearing because he wrote down exactly one meter further than the jumper jumped. We pointed this out when it was posted in live results and it was then corrected. I bet this is what probably happened at YSU and the 6.52 m jump was actually 5.52 m; it was just recorded wrong.