Just watching his record 3:48.88 again Ruthe made Sisk look like he was standing still in that last lap. What’s just plain scary is Sisk has run a 1:43.48 800m and 2:15.29 1000m. Would love to know what Ruthe is capable of over 400m. He could ultimately become a champion over the 800/1500, similar to Snell or Coe. Discus
I guess we'll find out how good it is soon . for context though Sisks last 200 was his slowest segment of the race and slower than every other runners 200m segments ... Fisk was cooked with 200 to go.
I'd guess in the 48's out of blocks and 47's in a relay . He did late 49s at nzssa in the 4x4 but it was at the end of a massive weekend of racing and even as tireless as he seems even he must feel the fatigue at some stage.
I guess we'll find out how good it is soon . for context though Sisks last 200 was his slowest segment of the race and slower than every other runners 200m segments ... Fisk was cooked with 200 to go.
I'd guess in the 48's out of blocks and 47's in a relay . He did late 49s at nzssa in the 4x4 but it was at the end of a massive weekend of racing and even as tireless as he seems even he must feel the fatigue at some stage.
Ruthe is in summer shape so to speak - but as his age he can peak again easily for the Northern Hemisphere summer. Then we’ll really see. Kid is damned amazing.
I guess we'll find out how good it is soon . for context though Sisks last 200 was his slowest segment of the race and slower than every other runners 200m segments ... Fisk was cooked with 200 to go.
I'd guess in the 48's out of blocks and 47's in a relay . He did late 49s at nzssa in the 4x4 but it was at the end of a massive weekend of racing and even as tireless as he seems even he must feel the fatigue at some stage.
One thing I think is interesting about this kid...
If he was at some random HS in the US... He'd probably just be a quarter miler if he could run those times. The coach probably wouldn't have even thought to try him at longer stuff.
I guess we'll find out how good it is soon . for context though Sisks last 200 was his slowest segment of the race and slower than every other runners 200m segments ... Fisk was cooked with 200 to go.
I'd guess in the 48's out of blocks and 47's in a relay . He did late 49s at nzssa in the 4x4 but it was at the end of a massive weekend of racing and even as tireless as he seems even he must feel the fatigue at some stage.
One thing I think is interesting about this kid...
If he was at some random HS in the US... He'd probably just be a quarter miler if he could run those times. The coach probably wouldn't have even thought to try him at longer stuff.
Complete nonsense. You don't think they run the mile in gym class? I'm sure it would be quite obvious that he is damn good at longer stuff
Ruthe is 8 seconds faster than Ingebrigtsen was at 16. Jakob was then the world's best 16 year old. Ruthe has also just carved 5 seconds off his own best mile time in a matter of weeks.
Jakob is a 3:26x and 3:43x runner. So will Ruthe be 8 seconds faster when he, too, matures? Absolutely not. I wonder why? But if he is even 2 seconds faster how will that be explained, when no one alive is predicted to be in the realm of 3:24 and 3:41?
One thing I think is interesting about this kid...
If he was at some random HS in the US... He'd probably just be a quarter miler if he could run those times. The coach probably wouldn't have even thought to try him at longer stuff.
Complete nonsense. You don't think they run the mile in gym class? I'm sure it would be quite obvious that he is damn good at longer stuff
In addition to that, it’s been about 50 years since HSers have run the quarter mile.
Ruthe is 8 seconds faster than Ingebrigtsen was at 16. Jakob was then the world's best 16 year old. Ruthe has also just carved 5 seconds off his own best mile time in a matter of weeks.
Jakob is a 3:26x and 3:43x runner. So will Ruthe be 8 seconds faster when he, too, matures? Absolutely not. I wonder why? But if he is even 2 seconds faster how will that be explained, when no one alive is predicted to be in the realm of 3:24 and 3:41?
You’ve taken two teenage snapshots, projected them into adulthood, and treated the mismatch as evidence of something sinister. That’s not analysis; it’s a narrative you built to fit a conclusion. Comparing 16‑year‑old times is useful only when you acknowledge uncertainty, not when you treat it like a prophecy. Athletes mature at different rates, respond to different coaches and stimuli, and race under different conditions. Genetics, injury history, training age, psychological development, and even a single well‑timed race can change trajectories. Saying “Ruthe is X seconds faster at 16, therefore he must end up Y seconds faster as an adult” ignores all of that complexity and substitutes a tidy story for real reasoning.
If Ruthe improves by a couple of seconds as he matures, that’s not a contradiction to any law of the sport — it’s exactly what development looks like. If he doesn’t, that’s also within normal variation. The only thing your post predicts with certainty is your own conclusion. Treating your projection as evidence and then asking the sport to justify why reality might differ is backwards: start with the data, admit the unknowns, and avoid turning speculation into indictment.
Ruthe is 8 seconds faster than Ingebrigtsen was at 16. Jakob was then the world's best 16 year old. Ruthe has also just carved 5 seconds off his own best mile time in a matter of weeks.
Jakob is a 3:26x and 3:43x runner. So will Ruthe be 8 seconds faster when he, too, matures? Absolutely not. I wonder why? But if he is even 2 seconds faster how will that be explained, when no one alive is predicted to be in the realm of 3:24 and 3:41?
Dumbstrong (dozens of times): any two runners are different, what runner A has achieved doesn't tells you anything what runner B can achieve.
Also Dumbstrong (dozens of times): Jakob is not a 3:26 runner...
Why was that? You won’t reasonably answer the question why Ryun was superior at the distance.
It wasn't "settled" - whatever you claim. Snell was a multiple Olympic champion and world record holder, who incidentally never attempted a wr for the 1500. Ryun was also a supremely gifted athlete, but at 16 he would never have been faster than Snell. Ruthe at 16 is now as fast as Ovett and Coe. Next month, will it be El G?
Ruthe is 8 seconds faster than Ingebrigtsen was at 16. Jakob was then the world's best 16 year old. Ruthe has also just carved 5 seconds off his own best mile time in a matter of weeks.
Jakob is a 3:26x and 3:43x runner. So will Ruthe be 8 seconds faster when he, too, matures? Absolutely not. I wonder why? But if he is even 2 seconds faster how will that be explained, when no one alive is predicted to be in the realm of 3:24 and 3:41?
Dumbstrong (dozens of times): any two runners are different, what runner A has achieved doesn't tells you anything what runner B can achieve.
Also Dumbstrong (dozens of times): Jakob is not a 3:26 runner...
We know that any two runners are different. But Ruthe at 16 has made Ingebrigtsen look like a mere schoolboy (ironic, that) when he was the world's best at 16. 8 seconds difference. So apply that differential to when Ruthe eventually peaks. 8 seconds? Why not?
Ruthe is 8 seconds faster than Ingebrigtsen was at 16. Jakob was then the world's best 16 year old. Ruthe has also just carved 5 seconds off his own best mile time in a matter of weeks.
Jakob is a 3:26x and 3:43x runner. So will Ruthe be 8 seconds faster when he, too, matures? Absolutely not. I wonder why? But if he is even 2 seconds faster how will that be explained, when no one alive is predicted to be in the realm of 3:24 and 3:41?
You’ve taken two teenage snapshots, projected them into adulthood, and treated the mismatch as evidence of something sinister. That’s not analysis; it’s a narrative you built to fit a conclusion. Comparing 16‑year‑old times is useful only when you acknowledge uncertainty, not when you treat it like a prophecy. Athletes mature at different rates, respond to different coaches and stimuli, and race under different conditions. Genetics, injury history, training age, psychological development, and even a single well‑timed race can change trajectories. Saying “Ruthe is X seconds faster at 16, therefore he must end up Y seconds faster as an adult” ignores all of that complexity and substitutes a tidy story for real reasoning.
If Ruthe improves by a couple of seconds as he matures, that’s not a contradiction to any law of the sport — it’s exactly what development looks like. If he doesn’t, that’s also within normal variation. The only thing your post predicts with certainty is your own conclusion. Treating your projection as evidence and then asking the sport to justify why reality might differ is backwards: start with the data, admit the unknowns, and avoid turning speculation into indictment.
I didn't say Ruthe must be better than Jakob by 8 seconds when he matures. I am pointing out how insane that would be. But you talk as if Jakob was somehow a late developer compared to Ruthe. Jakob was a prodigy from the age of 12, who trained like an adult. Ruthe now shows he would simply destroy him as the teenage phenomenon he was. That is truly insane.
I guess we'll find out how good it is soon . for context though Sisks last 200 was his slowest segment of the race and slower than every other runners 200m segments ... Fisk was cooked with 200 to go.
I'd guess in the 48's out of blocks and 47's in a relay . He did late 49s at nzssa in the 4x4 but it was at the end of a massive weekend of racing and even as tireless as he seems even he must feel the fatigue at some stage.
One thing I think is interesting about this kid...
If he was at some random HS in the US... He'd probably just be a quarter miler if he could run those times. The coach probably wouldn't have even thought to try him at longer stuff.
My HS had a national class 800m runner 1:49 in the 2010s who ran 48 high FAT and 47 relay splits
always wondered what sprinters in our county and state were sub 1:50 guys waiting to be developed