anyone know?
anyone know?
Age PR's
Age 16:
400m - 51.8
800m - 1:56.0
1500m - 3:55.0
3km - 8:34.6
Age 17:
800m - 1:55.1
Injured with stress fractures
Age 18:
400m - 50.5
800m - 1:53.8
1500m - 3:45.2
3km - 8:14.8
Age 19:
600m - 79.7
800m - 1:47.7
1500m - 3:42.67
1 mile - 3:58.35
Age 20:
800m - 1:44.95
1 mile - 3:57.67
He wouldn't have gone to 'high school'.
He's British. It's a different school system.
He didn't progress very well through HS. He graduated a year late because he took his 'O' levels a year later than everyone else. He was a dumbass. Still is.
He beat us all. But he was older than the rest of us.
I know he ran 2:08 for 800m at 15 :o
Why did he improve so much from 18-19?
Letters, More Letters! wrote:
Why did he improve so much from 18-19?
Looks like he just din't get into a fast 800 at 18. His 1500 progression looks right.
Yea, it doesn't look like he was really training for the 800 until after age 18 (if he's running 3:45 for the 1500m, he was probably closed to 1:50 than 1:53).
you are on to something here, what i've been trying to tell people, that this m.f. was an epo specialist....one yr he improved from 3:59 TO 3:49. His coach was his father who coached no one before or after him.....I love the smell of epo in the morning!
When Coe was 18, he was starting to think of moving up to 3k to 5k level. His father said no, and moved Seb down to more like 400-800 training for a year, and said the key to high-level running is "speed, speed, speed."
800runna wrote:
(When Coe was 18, he was starting to think of moving up to 3k to 5k level. His father said no, and moved Seb down to more like 400-800 training for a year, and said the key to high-level running is "speed, speed, speed."
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That's incredibly wrong, wrong, wrong advice unless you substitute epo for your distance work, which is what many runners did/do today. Epo puts in artificially what distance training puts in honestly....epo is a short cut to fitness, and in my opinion (if not yours) it should not be allowed.
bracer wrote:
That's incredibly wrong, wrong, wrong advice unless you substitute epo for your distance work, which is what many runners did/do today. Epo puts in artificially what distance training puts in honestly....epo is a short cut to fitness, and in my opinion (if not yours) it should not be allowed.
Except they didn't have access to it back then. But hey, don't let the facts get in your way
The patent for EPO was made in 1983 (Seb was 27 by this point). It was in testing and trials until 1989 (Seb was 33 at the time and not racing).
So, it is very unlikely that his training benefited from EPO 8 years before it was isolated in a lab!
burgh boy wrote:
The patent for EPO was made in 1983 (Seb was 27 by this point). It was in testing and trials until 1989 (Seb was 33 at the time and not racing).
So, it is very unlikely that his training benefited from EPO 8 years before it was isolated in a lab!
If they put in the patent in 1983 I am sure it was used on the black sports market long before then....Balco was juicing Barry yrs before we caught on. Cyclists were dropping dead from epo before 1983?
Even Ovett, recently said that Seb would never race until "the blood was right." This fraud got away with murder.
bracer wrote:
800runna wrote:(When Coe was 18, he was starting to think of moving up to 3k to 5k level. His father said no, and moved Seb down to more like 400-800 training for a year, and said the key to high-level running is "speed, speed, speed."
)
That's incredibly wrong, wrong, wrong advice unless you substitute epo for your distance work, which is what many runners did/do today. Epo puts in artificially what distance training puts in honestly....epo is a short cut to fitness, and in my opinion (if not yours) it should not be allowed.
based on your logic if epo is a "short-cut" to fitness than generally all it did was speed up his progression to times he was going to run no matter what. The only thing was that epo got him there faster.
think before you speak moron.
bracer wrote:
If they put in the patent in 1983 I am sure it was used on the black sports market long before then....Balco was juicing Barry yrs before we caught on. Cyclists were dropping dead from epo before 1983?
Fortunately, reality is not shaped by what you are "sure" about.
They didn't even identify the *gene coding* until 1983. The chances of anyone in sports actually having access to any rEPO before the mid-80s are nil. The technology simply wasn't there. There was no BALCO or anything like it back then, certainly not for athletes. Doctors didn't have this stuff until the earliest trials. By then the Coe-Ovett rivalry was already winding down.
But clearly you are on some sort of a witch hunt.
and you one of the witches....as much as i loved lasse viren, he was not an honest man...when they asked him about blood doping he would never deny or affirm....as much as I once admired the guy I believe that he and others were into epo or something very similar long, long, long before it was produced by legit. drug companies....1972? possible....1980? ABSOLUTELY!
AND Shorter suspected Cierpinski in 1976, we don't know what he had, but he had it.