Exactly the copium I need to say he’s a dark horse for USAs
Did you mean hopium? Well anyway he is more of a light horse as I see it. Is he contending the 1500m? Either way, I don’t see him getting a top 3 spot in any event, but this is a very encouraging result for the 21 year old. He shows real promise again.
in a post race interview he says he'll be running the 800 at USA's.
Omg I was gonna say I hope he does the 800 at USAs but I was like nah that’s probably dumb he was great in the 1500 last year, so that’s super exciting. I kinda feel like he’s a 15/3k guy but I’ve always thought his speed was underrated. Didn’t he run 1:47 in HS and 1:46 as a true freshman or something? And now 1:44 as a junior, no reason he couldn’t run 1:43 next year.
The 1500 team is probably harder to make, but with basically 2 1:41 guys who are the last 2 world indoor champs plus a 1:43.0 world champion is gonna be tough to beat. Sahlman might have the advantage over Brazier with the rounds because he’s a 3:33 guy, but Miller just ran 3:35. Either way, doesn’t really weaken the 1500 field while making the 800 field way more interesting, so I love it
in a post race interview he says he'll be running the 800 at USA's.
Omg I was gonna say I hope he does the 800 at USAs but I was like nah that’s probably dumb he was great in the 1500 last year, so that’s super exciting. I kinda feel like he’s a 15/3k guy but I’ve always thought his speed was underrated. Didn’t he run 1:47 in HS and 1:46 as a true freshman or something? And now 1:44 as a junior, no reason he couldn’t run 1:43 next year.
The 1500 team is probably harder to make, but with basically 2 1:41 guys who are the last 2 world indoor champs plus a 1:43.0 world champion is gonna be tough to beat. Sahlman might have the advantage over Brazier with the rounds because he’s a 3:33 guy, but Miller just ran 3:35. Either way, doesn’t really weaken the 1500 field while making the 800 field way more interesting, so I love it
You always say some wild stuff for your favorites don’t you.
Omg I was gonna say I hope he does the 800 at USAs but I was like nah that’s probably dumb he was great in the 1500 last year, so that’s super exciting. I kinda feel like he’s a 15/3k guy but I’ve always thought his speed was underrated. Didn’t he run 1:47 in HS and 1:46 as a true freshman or something? And now 1:44 as a junior, no reason he couldn’t run 1:43 next year.
The 1500 team is probably harder to make, but with basically 2 1:41 guys who are the last 2 world indoor champs plus a 1:43.0 world champion is gonna be tough to beat. Sahlman might have the advantage over Brazier with the rounds because he’s a 3:33 guy, but Miller just ran 3:35. Either way, doesn’t really weaken the 1500 field while making the 800 field way more interesting, so I love it
He’s an 800/1500 guy IMO.
Very, very low chance of him making the U.S. team this year, but if he can lower his 800 PB by a few more tenths it would be an encouraging end to a rocky season. I still believe he can run about 1:43-low and 3:29.x eventually.
I always have a problem with “so and so is a better over-distance runner, so they’re better in the rounds,” which seems to be an increasingly common logic. The ability to recover day-to-day for a series of 800s doesn’t correlate well with having the best long distance chops. Or for example, a talented 10k guy might be able to bang out a good 1500 round but be wrecked the next day compared with well-conditioned 1500 specialists.
NCAA racing isn't Colins strong suit and I mean that as a compliment. he struggles in slow, tactical races. he looks lost, constantly yo-yoing back and forth, unsure of what's going on. the good news is these types of races are rare in Diamond league/trials etc...
whenever he's in a race with pros all going for PR's and running at a fast pace he thrives. he looks much more confident and comfortable and almost always times his kick perfectly. I think he's gonna be one of those guys who has a so-so college career but really comes on as a pro.
most likely an 800/1500 guy, maybe he'll experiment with 3K's in indoor season.
Omg I was gonna say I hope he does the 800 at USAs but I was like nah that’s probably dumb he was great in the 1500 last year, so that’s super exciting. I kinda feel like he’s a 15/3k guy but I’ve always thought his speed was underrated. Didn’t he run 1:47 in HS and 1:46 as a true freshman or something? And now 1:44 as a junior, no reason he couldn’t run 1:43 next year.
The 1500 team is probably harder to make, but with basically 2 1:41 guys who are the last 2 world indoor champs plus a 1:43.0 world champion is gonna be tough to beat. Sahlman might have the advantage over Brazier with the rounds because he’s a 3:33 guy, but Miller just ran 3:35. Either way, doesn’t really weaken the 1500 field while making the 800 field way more interesting, so I love it
He’s an 800/1500 guy IMO.
Very, very low chance of him making the U.S. team this year, but if he can lower his 800 PB by a few more tenths it would be an encouraging end to a rocky season. I still believe he can run about 1:43-low and 3:29.x eventually.
I always have a problem with “so and so is a better over-distance runner, so they’re better in the rounds,” which seems to be an increasingly common logic. The ability to recover day-to-day for a series of 800s doesn’t correlate well with having the best long distance chops. Or for example, a talented 10k guy might be able to bang out a good 1500 round but be wrecked the next day compared with well-conditioned 1500 specialists.
Agreed, I think he's the opposite of what the original quoted post stated - an 800/mile guy with very strong endurance. He was one of the top XC runners in the nation back during his HS days after all. Quite some range this man has!
It's a good result but unfortunately 1.44.89 isn't what it used to be in the mens 800m - not globally and not even the US (where once if you were a sub 1.45 guy you were probably making teams or right on the cusp of).
Sahlman has always been one of the interesting and difficult runners to figure out. As has been pointed out, great range, great speed, still pretty tough over XC and with excellent PR's. And yet his college career at NCAA level over 1500m netted a 4th place and two exits in the semi-finals.
I read a comment that his lack of acumen at NCAA level might point to him thriving at a pro/trials level? Uhh, I would completely disagree with that. Look at the top 8/1500 guys in the nation right now.
Obviously Hoey and Kessler we have to omit as they didn't go to college, but Brazier - 800m champ in a championships record. Shane Cohen - NCAA champ. Brandon Miller 3rd at NCAA's. The Isaiah's - Jewitt and Harris, both NCAA champs. The 1500m - Hocker, Nuguse, throw in Kerr for good measure. Matt Centrowitz, need I say more?
On the flip side who is one athlete that had multiple trips to an NCAA's and couldn't really compete/perform to their talent level that went on to have a good pro career? Diamond league races might be fast but they are still tough, pro races. Sahlmann can't even hold his own physically in collegiate races - I don't see that translating to the pros. Plus we are talking Diamond League for this guy? Needs a bigger step up than just a 1.44.8 800m.
NCAA racing isn't Colins strong suit and I mean that as a compliment. he struggles in slow, tactical races. he looks lost, constantly yo-yoing back and forth, unsure of what's going on. the good news is these types of races are rare in Diamond league/trials etc...
whenever he's in a race with pros all going for PR's and running at a fast pace he thrives. he looks much more confident and comfortable and almost always times his kick perfectly. I think he's gonna be one of those guys who has a so-so college career but really comes on as a pro.
most likely an 800/1500 guy, maybe he'll experiment with 3K's in indoor season.
Sahlman is a great runner as far as PRs go but he's a poor racer especially among racers of equal talent. If he can't handle racing in NCAA, it's not going to be easier for him at the pro level either. Runners like Nuguse, Kerr and Hoppel all cut their teeth in NCAA very successfully and his cohorts like Strand, Greene and Waskom seemed to always beat him easily despite similar PRs. Compared to Hobbs Kessler (who never experienced racing in the NCAA) he's quite a bit slower across 800 and 15/mile and Kessler has yet to consistently threaten Kerr, Hocker, Neguse, Ingy...and now Koech and Laros. Maybe Strand can match Kessler and perhaps the others but I dont see how Sahlman is going to have an easier time as a pro than he did as a collegiate racer.
Exactly the copium I need to say he’s a dark horse for USAs
Lol. Not happening this year.
Exactly - If Sahlman runs the 800m then just making the final would be incredibly impressive. That's the last event there is any leeway in with respect to a slightly built runner that has issues with positioning and knowing when to make the right move.
If a strung-out, faster "DL style" race suits him then he is better off running the 1500m where it would be surprising if the pace wasn't in the 1.53/4 range through 800 given todays standard.
Obviously Hoey and Kessler we have to omit as they didn't go to college, but Brazier - 800m champ in a championships record. Shane Cohen - NCAA champ. Brandon Miller 3rd at NCAA's. The Isaiah's - Jewitt and Harris, both NCAA champs. The 1500m - Hocker, Nuguse, throw in Kerr for good measure. Matt Centrowitz, need I say more?
Jesus I even left Bryce Hoppel off that list - no disrespect intended BH. Another 800m stud that was an NCAA champion.
NCAA racing isn't Colins strong suit and I mean that as a compliment. he struggles in slow, tactical races. he looks lost, constantly yo-yoing back and forth, unsure of what's going on. the good news is these types of races are rare in Diamond league/trials etc...
whenever he's in a race with pros all going for PR's and running at a fast pace he thrives. he looks much more confident and comfortable and almost always times his kick perfectly. I think he's gonna be one of those guys who has a so-so college career but really comes on as a pro.
most likely an 800/1500 guy, maybe he'll experiment with 3K's in indoor season.
Sahlman is a great runner as far as PRs go but he's a poor racer especially among racers of equal talent. If he can't handle racing in NCAA, it's not going to be easier for him at the pro level either. Runners like Nuguse, Kerr and Hoppel all cut their teeth in NCAA very successfully and his cohorts like Strand, Greene and Waskom seemed to always beat him easily despite similar PRs. Compared to Hobbs Kessler (who never experienced racing in the NCAA) he's quite a bit slower across 800 and 15/mile and Kessler has yet to consistently threaten Kerr, Hocker, Neguse, Ingy...and now Koech and Laros. Maybe Strand can match Kessler and perhaps the others but I dont see how Sahlman is going to have an easier time as a pro than he did as a collegiate racer.
I do almost wonder if he should focus on the 800m. Yes, he was a strong 5k/3200m guy in high school, but he’s looked better at the 15/8 since then with 3:33.9/1:44.
Additionally he’s split 46.9 in a 4x4 in like his 3rd race of the day. I know it’s more common to move runners up but if he can split a 46 and get like 3:31-3:32 1500m ability he could run 1:42 as a pro.
NCAA racing isn't Colins strong suit and I mean that as a compliment. he struggles in slow, tactical races. he looks lost, constantly yo-yoing back and forth, unsure of what's going on. the good news is these types of races are rare in Diamond league/trials etc...
whenever he's in a race with pros all going for PR's and running at a fast pace he thrives. he looks much more confident and comfortable and almost always times his kick perfectly. I think he's gonna be one of those guys who has a so-so college career but really comes on as a pro.
most likely an 800/1500 guy, maybe he'll experiment with 3K's in indoor season.
Sahlman is a great runner as far as PRs go but he's a poor racer especially among racers of equal talent. If he can't handle racing in NCAA, it's not going to be easier for him at the pro level either. Runners like Nuguse, Kerr and Hoppel all cut their teeth in NCAA very successfully and his cohorts like Strand, Greene and Waskom seemed to always beat him easily despite similar PRs. Compared to Hobbs Kessler (who never experienced racing in the NCAA) he's quite a bit slower across 800 and 15/mile and Kessler has yet to consistently threaten Kerr, Hocker, Neguse, Ingy...and now Koech and Laros. Maybe Strand can match Kessler and perhaps the others but I dont see how Sahlman is going to have an easier time as a pro than he did as a collegiate racer.
I agree he has a long ways to go but he beat Nathan Green and Elliot Cook in that 800 the other day and looked good doing it. Green has been eating his lunch in every NCAA indoor/outdoor race - all pedestrian tactical affairs and lots of bumping - stuff Sahlman needs to work on. but yesterday when everyone was just going for times Sahlman looked right at home. of course, this could just mean Sahlman is a good time trial guy, but its a promising sign to see him run like that after some fairly underwhelming NCAA races of late. the 800 at USA's will be fast, which is good for him, but it'll also be bumpy, which could hurt him. we'll see. if anything yesterdays race gave him some much needed confidence.
It was a strong result. Perhaps this young man’s days of yo-yo performances are a thing of the past. It’s a young man’s game, this middle distance thing, so he can’t claim age as an excuse anymore. Two years ago he looked like the future of American middle distance running. Now? Not so sure.
I am curios, however, if he has left NAU as he has been entered and competing for HOKA. Not sure how this works with Coach Smith, but it seems Swoosh TC is more of an open club for all brands at this point.