Just curious. I follow a lot of pros on strava, ans John Korir will run really slow on warm ups, cool downs, and wasy runs. And of course really fast on his workouts.
Some American pros hardly ever go slower than 7 minute miles, even while cooling down.
Has this been studied more as to what is more effective? Does anyone think John Korir would be better if he sped up his easy runs, or Connor Mantz would be better if he slowed down his easy runs?
Despite what lots of people seem to believe, Conner Mantz actually runs his easy days fairly sensibly. Usually between 6:30-7:15/mile.
For someone whose marathon pace is around 4:45/mile, that's fairly cruisey.
John Korir runs much slower of course, but it obviously doesn't hurt him at all.
It's not necessarily a lesson for pros, most of whom tend to run reasonably slow relative to their PRs, but the recreational runner could take a leaf out of his book.
You don't need to run even remotely fast (most days), you just need to run more.
Just curious. I follow a lot of pros on strava, ans John Korir will run really slow on warm ups, cool downs, and wasy runs. And of course really fast on his workouts.
Some American pros hardly ever go slower than 7 minute miles, even while cooling down.
Has this been studied more as to what is more effective? Does anyone think John Korir would be better if he sped up his easy runs, or Connor Mantz would be better if he slowed down his easy runs?
Just curious. I follow a lot of pros on strava, ans John Korir will run really slow on warm ups, cool downs, and wasy runs. And of course really fast on his workouts.
Some American pros hardly ever go slower than 7 minute miles, even while cooling down.
Has this been studied more as to what is more effective? Does anyone think John Korir would be better if he sped up his easy runs, or Connor Mantz would be better if he slowed down his easy runs?
This is the line of reasoning that makes people run their long runs faster: If 7 minutes is slow for a pro, and I want to be pro-level, then I should run my long runs faster than that.
Just curious. I follow a lot of pros on strava, ans John Korir will run really slow on warm ups, cool downs, and wasy runs. And of course really fast on his workouts.
Some American pros hardly ever go slower than 7 minute miles, even while cooling down.
Has this been studied more as to what is more effective? Does anyone think John Korir would be better if he sped up his easy runs, or Connor Mantz would be better if he slowed down his easy runs?
Despite what lots of people seem to believe, Conner Mantz actually runs his easy days fairly sensibly. Usually between 6:30-7:15/mile.
For someone whose marathon pace is around 4:45/mile, that's fairly cruisey.
John Korir runs much slower of course, but it obviously doesn't hurt him at all.
It's not necessarily a lesson for pros, most of whom tend to run reasonably slow relative to their PRs, but the recreational runner could take a leaf out of his book.
You don't need to run even remotely fast (most days), you just need to run more.
Yeah, I think this used to be more of a hardo USA problem, but from what I can tell the OAC guys, Eyestone guys and NAU guys aren’t hammering their easy runs. Indicative of this, the idea that Graham Blanks ran non-recovery runs at no slower than 6 min pace was a big story a couple years ago. It was kinda missed that it was on pancake flat sea level runs by the river in Boston. But that was more the norm of d1 guys and pros back in the day. Solinsky was famous for hammering easy runs, and Goucher as well. But that was that era with less threshold and more long tempos/quick easy runs.
Despite what lots of people seem to believe, Conner Mantz actually runs his easy days fairly sensibly. Usually between 6:30-7:15/mile.
For someone whose marathon pace is around 4:45/mile, that's fairly cruisey.
John Korir runs much slower of course, but it obviously doesn't hurt him at all.
It's not necessarily a lesson for pros, most of whom tend to run reasonably slow relative to their PRs, but the recreational runner could take a leaf out of his book.
You don't need to run even remotely fast (most days), you just need to run more.
Yeah, I think this used to be more of a hardo USA problem, but from what I can tell the OAC guys, Eyestone guys and NAU guys aren’t hammering their easy runs. Indicative of this, the idea that Graham Blanks ran non-recovery runs at no slower than 6 min pace was a big story a couple years ago. It was kinda missed that it was on pancake flat sea level runs by the river in Boston. But that was more the norm of d1 guys and pros back in the day. Solinsky was famous for hammering easy runs, and Goucher as well. But that was that era with less threshold and more long tempos/quick easy runs.
I don't think it's a coincidence that all the WR holders in distance run their easy days really, really slow relative to their PR's. Chep ran easy days in his 12:35/26:11 days north of 8:00 most days. Every run should have a PURPOSE. If it's to recover, then recover. I saw too many guys when I ran in college running their easy days at 6:00 pace when they were 30:00 guys and then you see a 26:11 guy running 8:00-9:00 in some cases, per the limited logs Addy Ruuiter shared. I think the OP has a good point.
Yeah, I think this used to be more of a hardo USA problem, but from what I can tell the OAC guys, Eyestone guys and NAU guys aren’t hammering their easy runs. Indicative of this, the idea that Graham Blanks ran non-recovery runs at no slower than 6 min pace was a big story a couple years ago. It was kinda missed that it was on pancake flat sea level runs by the river in Boston. But that was more the norm of d1 guys and pros back in the day. Solinsky was famous for hammering easy runs, and Goucher as well. But that was that era with less threshold and more long tempos/quick easy runs.
I don't think it's a coincidence that all the WR holders in distance run their easy days really, really slow relative to their PR's. Chep ran easy days in his 12:35/26:11 days north of 8:00 most days. Every run should have a PURPOSE. If it's to recover, then recover. I saw too many guys when I ran in college running their easy days at 6:00 pace when they were 30:00 guys and then you see a 26:11 guy running 8:00-9:00 in some cases, per the limited logs Addy Ruuiter shared. I think the OP has a good point.
Last time I say a Chep plan he was doing a ton of easy running at 6:00-6:30 pace with occasionally recovery runs of 8-10min pace. It is insane to focus on the slow runs and ignore the easy runs that are giving the volume to the week.
Pretty much everyone runs easy these days. When was the last time some elite talked about doing easy runs at 5:45? Just doesn’t happen. We are left debating easy versus super easy.
I don't think it's a coincidence that all the WR holders in distance run their easy days really, really slow relative to their PR's. Chep ran easy days in his 12:35/26:11 days north of 8:00 most days. Every run should have a PURPOSE. If it's to recover, then recover. I saw too many guys when I ran in college running their easy days at 6:00 pace when they were 30:00 guys and then you see a 26:11 guy running 8:00-9:00 in some cases, per the limited logs Addy Ruuiter shared. I think the OP has a good point.
Last time I say a Chep plan he was doing a ton of easy running at 6:00-6:30 pace with occasionally recovery runs of 8-10min pace. It is insane to focus on the slow runs and ignore the easy runs that are giving the volume to the week.
Pretty much everyone runs easy these days. When was the last time some elite talked about doing easy runs at 5:45? Just doesn’t happen. We are left debating easy versus super easy.
What is the physiological benefit of running an easy day at 6:00/mile vs. 7:00/mile? Does running easy days faster do something?
John also runs as high as 140+ mile weeks on only 6 days of running. His long runs are pretty fast, workouts are pretty fast, then a massive amount of easy running between, sometimes running over 3 hours per day of easy running