who have brojo reported for epo?

That's classified material son. In the interest of national security it can't be revealed.

What Americans have finished in the top three in recent years in "World marathon majors"? Doesn't this officially include Boston, New York, Chicago and London? How about the Olympics and the World Championships?

Regardless, if tthe Bros-Jo are implicating an American, it could only be Meb or Deena. It's also possible that they reported a foreign athlete to USADA, maybe hoping the latter would pass on the info to the IAAF and/or to WADA, I guess.

and KK. who trains in flagstaff where weldon lives. or it isnt an american and they just reported it to usada. considering that meb and deena dont train in flag, i doubt the brojo's would have video from mammoth lakes. if its an american its KK. if not, we would have to take look at who trains in flag and finishes top three. (not to say that they have to train in flag, but that is our best guess)

We reported it to USADA because I knew people at USADA and figured they could do something about it. The athlete was not an American and is from the African continent. But they continue to make big bucks. I've debated the ethics of publicly naming the athlete but held off because our source did not want to go public and my hope was that they would actually get busted since they were using a named drug (Epoetin-A is what the labels said if I recall correctly) and we reported them.

Athletes like this could just run big US roadraces and almost never get caught as I don't think they would ever be tested out of competition. Once they start doing major marathons theoretically I think they might start getting IAAF ranked and could get tested out of competition which is much rarer than USADA out of competition testing. So then you have the question of whether there actually is a test for the drug they are on and whether WADA the one time they show up actually shows up within a few days of them taking the drug. All very very impropable.

wejo wrote:

I've debated the ethics of publicly naming the athlete but held off because our source did not want to go public and my hope was that they would actually get busted since they were using a named drug (Epoetin-A is what the labels said if I recall correctly) and we reported them.

Athletes like this could just run big US roadraces and almost never get caught as I don't think they would ever be tested out of competition... So then you have the question of whether there actually is a test for the drug they are on and whether WADA the one time they show up actually shows up within a few days of them taking the drug. All very very impropable.

Wejo:

I think ethically, you've got a right to print the person's name You are witness to cheating, and while you have done the right thing by contacting USADA, there has been no action taken, and as you said, it is very improbable that it will ever happen. meanwhile this person continues to make money at the expense of other athletes.

You guys have stood up against the drug culture for years, don't quit now. Why do you think Major League Baseball is launching an investigation into Barry Bonds? Because of BALCO? Hell no, a simple federal investigation wasn't going to do it. Bonds was walking around with no cares. It was only because the SF chronicle writers had a book that detailed it - they outed the sources, the methods. And yes, they did it to make money selling a book, but they also did it because it's the right thing to do.

Cheaters deserve to be punished. If the IAAF won't do it, then the public needs to know that there is a cheater present AND the IAAF/USADA won't stop it.

the ethicist wrote:

Wejo:

I think ethically, you've got a right to print the person's name You are witness to cheating, and while you have done the right thing by contacting USADA, there has been no action taken, and as you said, it is very improbable that it will ever happen. meanwhile this person continues to make money at the expense of other athletes..

I personally did not witness the cheating. I saw a video of the syringes from another person who I trust. Does that make a difference?

I guess at the very least I should figure out who this person's agent and/or coach is.

I have to wonder - who the hell videotapes themselves using syringes???? It's almost too stupid to believe. Maybe it's a joke video? or is this one of those secret videos?

wejo wrote:

the ethicist wrote:

Wejo:

I think ethically, you've got a right to print the person's name You are witness to cheating, and while you have done the right thing by contacting USADA, there has been no action taken, and as you said, it is very improbable that it will ever happen. meanwhile this person continues to make money at the expense of other athletes..

I personally did not witness the cheating. I saw a video of the syringes from another person who I trust. Does that make a difference?

I guess at the very least I should figure out who this person's agent and/or coach is.

Put the video clips on LR.com for all to see.

i think you mis-understood him. He saw a video that someone he knows (and trusts) took of the athletes' syringes/drugs, whatever. Sounds like this person noticed the epo in the athletes' hotel room, house, etc. and took the video as evidence?

le major wrote:

i think you mis-understood him. He saw a video that someone he knows (and trusts) took of the athletes' syringes/drugs, whatever. Sounds like this person noticed the epo in the athletes' hotel room, house, etc. and took the video as evidence?

Damn. Sounds like a little bit of Shakespeare drama on the running scene around here.

ah ok, that makes a lot more sense.

So just so we are all clear, this is an athlete on drugs who has been tested at major events and didnt fail the tests. Conclusion: Drug testing doesnt work.

the only way you could officially bust this guy is for him to flunk his drug test. the video evidence will damn him in the public eye, but won't be worth much in court. a video is just too tangible.

but anyway, the only reason this video would be brought to court is if the accused went after the person who disseminated the video.

The Guns of Navarone!

wejo wrote:

I personally did not witness the cheating. I saw a video of the syringes from another person who I trust. Does that make a difference?

I guess at the very least I should figure out who this person's agent and/or coach is.

Yes, it does make a difference. But remember, the reporters for the SF chronicle didn't witness barry bonds injecting his ass with the clear either.

You trust the person that took the video. I'm going to assume you've grilled them on the where, when, etc. So put write a story saying what you've found. Take screen-shots of the video, or put it up on google-video or youtube and link your article to it.

Before you do it, contact the USATF, USADA, WADA and IAAF telling them, in general terms, what you've found and would they care to comment on it. If they don't, that's fine. Write your story anyway (FYI: you guys are good journalists, but often make careless grammatical mistakes. get this story edited heavily - it might be picked up.) Send out a press release about the story - let people know.

Break the cycle of secrecy that plagues track. Don't stand for this crap any longer. There will always be some cheaters who can beat the system, but don't make it easy for them.

Although I understand that Wejo has the right to delete any thread he chooses, as it's his site, I would like to know why certain people seem to get protected? Threads about Eddy are usually quickly deleted - why is that, Wejo? Others have mentioned that threads about Salazar's alleged shaky past are also pulled off the message board. At least in Salazar's case you can somewhat understand since he never tested positive, but there was a lot of smoke during those AW days and in a sense the speculation and questioning of what went on during that timeframe is relevant to our sport right now, considering that Salazar is coaching some of this country's top distance runners. Wejo, would you kindly comment? Thanks.

Are you paying Wejo's salary or something? Maybe you would like him to bring you a coffee as well?

Send the video to every race, every sponsor and every media agency where ever this person races, then let these organisations try and pretend they didn't know it was going on. The problem with this scum is that they can make a living because races allow them to run when they're doing it and others such as Bloomsday and Bay-to-Breakers let them run even after they've done it. Legally it is ok to allow a cheat to run but morally I don't think so?

Should we even try to read between the lines here? Somehow the indication that the offender is from "the African continent" and not merely "Africa" has me thinking Morocco.

Not a girl from Morocco? Not the very remorseful former 10K world record holder?