Has the nomenclature changed? Has the methods changed?
I think "VO2 Max" refers to that pace that you could race for around 10min, ...so, typically 3000m race pace. The boundary between "aerobic capacity" and "anaerobic capacity"??
Do those zones mean a lot in 2025 Training Theory? Does Canova care?
Coaches and self coached athletes just replaced them with double threshold. I can still see rupp on a treadmill measuring vo2 max, addicted to the saladbar days
Has the nomenclature changed? Has the methods changed?
I think "VO2 Max" refers to that pace that you could race for around 10min, ...so, typically 3000m race pace. The boundary between "aerobic capacity" and "anaerobic capacity"??
Do those zones mean a lot in 2025 Training Theory? Does Canova care?
Has the nomenclature changed? Has the methods changed?
I think "VO2 Max" refers to that pace that you could race for around 10min, ...so, typically 3000m race pace. The boundary between "aerobic capacity" and "anaerobic capacity"??
Do those zones mean a lot in 2025 Training Theory? Does Canova care?
I think a lot of the top 1500-5k groups will do threshold workouts almost year-round and do 4-5 weeks with hard vo2 max workouts 2x a year.
"Threshold", "VO2 max".
Would it be safe to say that these terms came into force in the 70s? And that they are a part of "zone" training that Coe/Martin and others used in the 70s/80s?
I just wonder if these zones, especially this most famous one, are being transformed into other creatures. I haven't even clicked onto the long Norwegian Methods thread yet. Maybe they have taken these old ideas, and modified them beyond what we previously recognized.
No. They are especially important for middle distance to 5k training. Maybe for road runners they're dead, but even they can benefit from this pace.
I am part of a 1500m program that has myself and two others competing at the ncaa D1 west prelims this week. We never did much 5k-3k pace reps at all this year. It was a huge change from last year and we all ran really fast this year because of it. All of our 800m and 5000m times dropped as well.
We did double threshold and sometimes long tempos on Tuesday. Every Friday we do hills or faster work. Oftentimes combined. It’s weird because I felt like I wasn’t working as hard this year but still was able to push in races. It took a bit to buy in, but I wouldn’t want to do longer, harder reps again.
I will say that I paced my teammates in their 5000m races a couple times after my race though. That is probably a creative way of getting the work in.
Probably not super important if you are already racing every week.
Yes. That is a real VO2 max workout. Not those mickey mouse 400's that people do, with standing around in between. But without races, I'd do a 2000, 1600, 1200, and 800 with 800m jog recoveries in between.