How do people still believe Shelby Houlihan cheated?

The day will come when the corruption at WADA will finally be revealed. May take 15 years, but that day will come.

I would like to find one person who knows Shelby Houlihan personally who believes she cheated. With other dopers, there are MANY people who would not hesitate to tell you the person cheated. You see this through and through in our sport.

So, why has no one who knows Shelby personally given testimony to why she cheated? Because they all know she didn’t.

Didn't the Johnson brothers pay money to,Ross Tucker to investigate the evidence and he concluded that she did cheat??

Does he know her personally? Was he on the inside? No, he wasn’t. Science doesn’t take you as far as people who were there from the beginning and know the truth.

Common sense is better than “science.” Didn’t we all learn our lesson during Covid?

And Robert and Weldon do not believe she cheated.

Common sense is not better than science.

There was so much of the stuff in her system that there is no way it got there accidentally. So, it was either intentionally consumed by the athlete, or she was sabotaged. The latter seems quite unlikely. She didn't help herself concocting a story that was clearly nonsense because it questioned her credibility.

All dopers must hang! To the gallows!

Yes it is, when science becomes arbitrary in relation to common sense. Go ahead and take your Covid vaccine and then get Covid shortly after taking it because your immune system is weakened from so many vaccines and boosters. That’s where “science” becomes arbitrary.

There are a bajillion other scenarios in which it is not arbitrary, but when it becomes an equivalent to reason or common sense, as a means of convincing us of something not rooted in reality, it is then nearly worthless.

And you know Shelby personally? You were there to verify that she doped? That she used synthetic nandrolone as a means of performance enhancement? Or did you just assume that what WADA told you was the gospel on the matter?

You who knows the absolute truth firsthand throw the first stone.

Because of the amount of an illegal substance found in her system during a random drug test.

Can you prove that Katir was cheating? Maybe he was just a bit clumsy with his memory.

I used to think she was a doper, but these are two great arguments!

if a Covid denier and two of the most ignorant people I’ve ever encountered think she’s clean, you’ve changed my mind.

free Shelby!

I think she had an admission of guilt by accepting her ban.

At least this time the rekbot is trying to come up with an argument for his beloved drug cheat, instead of making stuff up.

The "Shelby didn't cheat" threads never end. Yeah, she did. They also don't change a thing. She was rightly convicted of an antidoping violation and banned for 4 years.

Covid denier? No. I was just referencing the whole “follow the science” argument, where “science” is no science at all, but a vehicle for a myriad of lies.

”Follow the science” led people, via major political leaders, to say you “couldn’t get Covid from the safe/effective vaccine” and that Covid came from a “wet market” in the city with the largest virology study institute in Asia.

I don't think you know what the word arbitrary means.

Or what science is.

Why do I still believe that Shelby cheated? A lot of reasons. I won’t go into all of them. She’s a liar. She kept talking about how she had such a small amount of nandrolone in her system. That’s a lie. The results showed a significant amount in her system. Maybe it was intentional. She was injured at the time, IIRC, so maybe she was taking a sketchy supplement to help with her injury. At the end of the day, she had a large amount in her system and I find it highly unlikely that she tested positive from a burrito. There is a part of the story that she isn’t telling and she is lying about something. I can’t trust her. I won’t be rooting for her when she returns to competition.

But is it a lie? In their official guidance to the labs, WADA calls levels less than 10ng/ml "in the low range". This is what is "usually" expected following the consumption of intact boar, and sometimes can be much higher. Prof. Ayotte has reported values as high as 130 ng/ml and 160 ng/ml. Houlihan had 5.2 and 5.8 ng/ml -- well within the low range that WADA describes as usual.

"Following consumption of the edible parts of non-castrated male pigs, concentrations of excreted 19-NA in urine are usually in the low ng/mL range (less than 10 ng/mL), although higher concentrations have been exceptionally reported."