about 4-5 seconds in a 1500 at an elite level. Just over 1s/lap.
NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
I accidentally gave you an up-vote but intended to down-vote you, because you are in denial. There is BIG DATA to support this, so your opinion is worthless.
Please stay on topic the question is asking about El G vs Kerr and Jakob, not your opinions. I already provided information about how much the shoes help.
I accidentally gave you an up-vote but intended to down-vote you, because you are in denial. There is BIG DATA to support this, so your opinion is worthless.
Please stay on topic the question is asking about El G vs Kerr and Jakob, not your opinions. I already provided information about how much the shoes help.
Just look at the recent transformations in the 800m.
I accidentally gave you an up-vote but intended to down-vote you, because you are in denial. There is BIG DATA to support this, so your opinion is worthless.
Please stay on topic the question is asking about El G vs Kerr and Jakob, not your opinions. I already provided information about how much the shoes help.
Actually, there no data at all to support the belief that new shoe technology makes any difference on the track. You’re making the case that 1500m runners from over 20 years ago, were significantly faster than the current ones, including Ingebrigtsen and Kerr.
Personally, I don't see El G losing to either of them.
But that’s a dumb question. Even without wavelight, with worse shoes and tracks he was still faster than them. Why would he run slower with better technology. (don’t get me started on PEDS because that’s not the question)
Personally, I don't see El G losing to either of them.
He doesn't. I don't think he would even if we transported Jakob and Kerr back to the late 90's with "superspikes" at only their disposals.
El G ran under 3.27 5 times in an era where the entire philosophy of 1500m execution was different and not as efficient as today (crazy fast opening 200/400, slowing down, picking it back up again etc etc) and he never got truly good pacing (as we know it today) in any of his races.
With wavelight and wavelight assisted pacers (a huge upgrade) he was capable of 2.45 low at 1200m, then strong and fast enough to finish anywhere from 40.0-40.5. So whereas we just saw Jakob run 3.26.7 in Monaco, Hicham was capable at his peak of at least a second faster, but easily more - and that's in his trusty Jasaris. I'm not even entertaining Kerr in this style of race yet - great that Danny thinks he's capable of sub 3.27 - let's see a commitment to sub 2.47 at 1200m in just ONE race before we give that a lot of credence.
Slower race is obviously more in Kerr's wheelhouse - something where he isn't knocking on the door of his anaerobic threshold pace after the first 600m. Problem is, we saw in Athens - and this wasn't even peak El G as you mentioned, that Hicham wasn't afraid to go to the front early on a concerted long drive for home and really drop the hammer. On top of that he was good enough to simply turn the screws each 100m a little tighter and never relent, all the way to the finish. I mean they were 2.01.93 through 800m in Athens - absurdly slow, but nobody on the planet now is running 1.46.8 for the last 800m (even crazier when you think that the first 100m of that was just gathering himself so the last 700m was run in exactly 1.32.26 or 1.45.44 pace!!!).
Hichem was a different animal. There maybe some pretty straightforward reasons for this (unfortunately) but he was. At his best, superspikes or not he would clean the floor with these guys over the 1500m/mile.
Just look at the recent transformations in the 800m.
Keely getting 1:54mid
3 or 4 runners under 1:42
For the men, the pre-super-spike world records have neither been challenged over 800 nor over 1500, let alone broken. For women, the 800 WR is still from the 80s, and the 1500 has improved by only 1 s since the super-spikes. Over 1 s / lap? Highly doubt it.
Just look at the recent transformations in the 800m.
Keely getting 1:54mid
3 or 4 runners under 1:42
For the men, the pre-super-spike world records have neither been challenged over 800 nor over 1500, let alone broken. For women, the 800 WR is still from the 80s, and the 1500 has improved by only 1 s since the super-spikes. Over 1 s / lap? Highly doubt it.
Its not question of records but the general improvement of performances.
Kipyegon 3min 49 and the other Australian 3mins 50
what do you think about that?
Runners are getting 3 sec supplemental with the combination (shoes + track).
For the men, the pre-super-spike world records have neither been challenged over 800 nor over 1500, let alone broken. For women, the 800 WR is still from the 80s, and the 1500 has improved by only 1 s since the super-spikes. Over 1 s / lap? Highly doubt it.
The introduction of supershoes has coincided with vastly more testing in Kenya as well as the ABP being more effective in general.
Manangoi and Katir might both have broken the WR if they hadn't been stopped. Tim running 3:29 solo after rounds in Doha gave an indication of what might have happened if the EPO party had been allowed to continue unfettered with super shoes.
I accidentally gave you an up-vote but intended to down-vote you, because you are in denial. There is BIG DATA to support this, so your opinion is worthless.
Please stay on topic the question is asking about El G vs Kerr and Jakob, not your opinions. I already provided information about how much the shoes help.
Actually, there no data at all to support the belief that new shoe technology makes any difference on the track. You’re making the case that 1500m runners from over 20 years ago, were significantly faster than the current ones, including Ingebrigtsen and Kerr.
For the men, the pre-super-spike world records have neither been challenged over 800 nor over 1500, let alone broken. For women, the 800 WR is still from the 80s, and the 1500 has improved by only 1 s since the super-spikes. Over 1 s / lap? Highly doubt it.
The introduction of supershoes has coincided with vastly more testing in Kenya as well as the ABP being more effective in general.
Manangoi and Katir might both have broken the WR if they hadn't been stopped. Tim running 3:29 solo after rounds in Doha gave an indication of what might have happened if the EPO party had been allowed to continue unfettered with super shoes.
The guy is literally claiming that supershoes aren't so super because massively doped up records aren't being broken in them. I'm answering him you idiot. Can't you just get a life and stop obessing over/stalking me?