I listened to a podcast with Andreas Kramer who finished 7th in the 800m in Paris and he mentioned that he could run 10k well below 30 minutes. He also thought he could run sub 11 for 100m if he got the start right.
do all the best 800m runners have this kind of crazy range?
Probably most elite 4/8 guys can run 11 and most elite 16/8 guys can run 30mins depending on milage
What’s an elite 16/8 guy?
As for the OP’s question, it doesn’t really matter how fast of a 10000m an 800m specialist can run. Whatever one can run, it will be slow. When I was in HS, all of the 800m guys that ran XC, really sucked.
I listened to a podcast with Andreas Kramer who finished 7th in the 800m in Paris and he mentioned that he could run 10k well below 30 minutes. He also thought he could run sub 11 for 100m if he got the start right.
do all the best 800m runners have this kind of crazy range?
Sub 11 is dreaming. He could break 12 if he got the block start right.
Kramer could probably run 3:35 for 1500, so that makes 30:00/10k quite modest. For the sub-11 100m, a lot hinges on “If I got the start right”—he probably wouldn’t, and it’s not surprising that he could run sub-11 with a flying start.
”Range” is overrated or overhyped around here. Of course world class middle distance runners are going to have good speed and good endurance. The primary distinction between elite middle distance runners with “great range” and those without it is having actually raced those disparate events while in form.
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I listened to a podcast with Andreas Kramer who finished 7th in the 800m in Paris and he mentioned that he could run 10k well below 30 minutes. He also thought he could run sub 11 for 100m if he got the start right.
do all the best 800m runners have this kind of crazy range?
Sub 11 is dreaming. He could break 12 if he got the block start right.
Oh come on, barely breaking 12 is what random HS runners can do off of 48-49 400m speed.
Now realistically you are right that sub 11 is dreaming, but he could probably get a low 11 in his prime, just not sub 11.
Amel Tuka has run 100m in 10.93 (in +3.0 wind). This was in 2018 and he had some sub 1.46 races in the 800m that season.
Way back Jonathan Johnson ran 100m in 11.03 and he was a quite speedy 800m guy.
Slimane Moula has run 200m in 21.40 which equals roughly 10.60 in 100m (long sprinters should maybe add a tenth or two). The 21.40 time was when he was mainly a 400m runner though.
There are probably more examples. I'd say many elite 800m runners can probably run the 100m around low 11. The more sprint-oriented 800m runners can probably run 11 or slighly below, especially with some sprint training.
Andreas Kramer incorportated more sprint training during the winter season some years ago. Aside from that he's said that he trains a little bit like a distance runner during the winter, with a fairly high amount of mileage. It would'n suprise me if he by that means at least 70 miles per week, but that's only my guessing. I think it's more likely that he can run sub 30 in the 10 km. In the 100m it depends on the start. This is the reason why many ask 800m runners (that aren't elite) what they can run in the 200m on the one hand and 1500 or 3000k on the other hand. In the 200m the start is important but not as important as in the 100m.
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30:00 is 9 seconds per lap slower than world record pace for 10000m, so yes probably at least half of 1:45 or faster runners can do it, and probably at least 90% of 3:39 or faster runners.
Sub 11 is dreaming. He could break 12 if he got the block start right.
Oh come on, barely breaking 12 is what random HS runners can do off of 48-49 400m speed.
Now realistically you are right that sub 11 is dreaming, but he could probably get a low 11 in his prime, just not sub 11.
Agree, I was being hyperbolic.
But absolutely zero shot at breaking 11. He's got a 47 for a 400m PR.
I'd bet everything that the best 400/800 runners, in their tip-top 400/800 shape, I'm talking Rudisha around 2012, not Moula before he began 800 training, are 11 low at best. Just under 11 if guys like this practiced block starts for a bit.
Kramer could probably run 3:35 for 1500, so that makes 30:00/10k quite modest. For the sub-11 100m, a lot hinges on “If I got the start right”—he probably wouldn’t, and it’s not surprising that he could run sub-11 with a flying start.
”Range” is overrated or overhyped around here. Of course world class middle distance runners are going to have good speed and good endurance. The primary distinction between elite middle distance runners with “great range” and those without it is having actually raced those disparate events while in form.
Agreed. What’s more interesting is if a runner could be elite in another event. It was often theorized with Brazier because he closed a 3:35 in 52pt. Now of course we see 3:30s closed in 52pt. Kersee brought it up for Mu but in the wrong event seemingly because he’s a weirdo. Of the current 800m crop, I don’t think any could hack it in the 400. Probably Kinyamal, Moula and Arop could push low 45s. For the 1500, I’d be really bullish on Wanyonyi going under 3:30. After that, Sedjati seems to have some real potential.