What's the most people you've ever seen battling it out for a 1500 win? Have you ever seen 5-6 abreast at the finish line?

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    rojo

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 5:14pm EDT

    I'm starting to get pumped for tonight's 1500 final and it got me thinking. What's the most number of people you've ever seen battling it out for the win of a major 1500? Have you ever seen 5 guys within like 0.2 of a second of each other?

    Now, the more I think about it, I don't expect 5 guys to be within .2 a second of a 3:31 guy but I'm just wondering if there's ever been a race with like 5 guys diving at the line in a 1500.

    I did a little bit of research. Since 2000, the closets 5th was to 1st at NCAA was 2015 when it was .40 seconds. I found a replay of that race, and there were a TON of guys with 100 to go right there. That could happen tonight. Here is the final 300 of that race:

    YouTube.com
    Men's 1500m - 2015 NCAA outdoor track and field championships
    NCAA Championships
    The men's 1500m at the 2015 NCAA outdoor track and field championships saw a close finish between Oklahoma State's Charles Chad Noelle and Air Force's Zach P...
    Video:youtu.be/6YBtWJ83WHc?si=tZCqJbph-VHMVb...

    If my research was correct, here is the closest 5 races between 1st and 5th at NCAAs since 2000.

    2015- 0.40
    2010 - 0.43
    2023- 0.55
    2022 - 0.65
    2002 - 0.67

    The 2010 race was also quite wild with 100 meters to go as there were 8 guys all right there:

    YouTube.com
    NCAA Championships 800 and 1500
    GoDucks
    (Originally published on 09/26/2010) Andrew Wheating doubles in the 800 and 1500, and Oregon goes 1, 2, 3 in the 1500
    Video:youtu.be/dpPxP9F4MGM?si=-b9nqQXHS6-D09...

    Historical NCAA results are here:

    trackandfieldnews.com
    Link:trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploa...
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    rbtrackfan

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 5:20pm EDT
    re: rojo

    we will see who can get the tactics right. The UW guys usually do - Who among Sahlman, Murphy, Cook et all will be in the best place with 300 to go?

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    rojo

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:09pm EDT
    re: rbtrackfan

    rbtrackfan wrote:

    we will see who can get the tactics right. The UW guys usually do - Who among Sahlman, Murphy, Cook et all will be in the best place with 300 to go?

    Rarely do tactics cost someone a race. Fitness normally wins out.

    I'm just not sure many of these guys are 3:31 guys like Spencer. I must admit Cook looked so smooth in the prelims and won Pac 12s but he was running in the B heat in Cali just a few months ago.

    But Pac 12s was a 3:47 race. I don't expect this race to be like that at all.

  • appalled

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:10pm EDT
    re: rojo

    "Abreast"? Is the foul language really necessary?

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    re: appalled

    1983 World championships 1500m Finland

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    rbtrackfan

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:20pm EDT
    re: rojo

    Lol what spot does the guy with the fastest final 400 from the other night have tonight?

  • he is lazy

    Anonymous Poster

    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:22pm EDT
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    and it got me thinking

    anything to break that monotony of hourly naps

  • John Wesley Harding

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:24pm EDT
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    Rarely do tactics cost someone a race.

    Really? I don’t believe that. It’s not typically obvious, but so often someone has to run 3-4 extra meters in the second half of a race to lose by .2-.3 seconds.

    Spencer should be considered the favorite IMO. But I’m rooting for Sahlman to win, and I won’t be surprised if he summons the best kick. In the prediction contest I went 1. Sahlman 2. Spencer 3. Green, and I feel fine about that after the heats.

    I doubt the race will be super fast: 3:38ish I would guess. I could see Houser trying to control it from the front at an ever-increasing pace, or Essayi trying to squeeze it down in the last 800.

  • Burly Bartt

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:25pm EDT
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    I'm starting to get pumped for tonight's 1500 final and it got me thinking. What's the most number of people you've ever seen battling it out for the win of a major 1500? Have you ever seen 5 guys within like 0.2 of a second of each other?

    Now, the more I think about it, I don't expect 5 guys to be within .2 a second of a 3:31 guy but I'm just wondering if there's ever been a race with like 5 guys diving at the line in a 1500.

    I did a little bit of research. Since 2000, the closets 5th was to 1st at NCAA was 2015 when it was .40 seconds. I found a replay of that race, and there were a TON of guys with 100 to go right there. That could happen tonight. Here is the final 300 of that race:

    Video:youtu.be/6YBtWJ83WHc?si=tZCqJbph-VHMVb...

    If my research was correct, here is the closest 5 races between 1st and 5th at NCAAs since 2000.

    2015- 0.40
    2010 - 0.43
    2023- 0.55
    2022 - 0.65
    2002 - 0.67

    The 2010 race was also quite wild with 100 meters to go as there were 8 guys all right there:

    Video:youtu.be/dpPxP9F4MGM?si=-b9nqQXHS6-D09...
    Historical NCAA results are here:
    Link:trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploa...

    I saw 7 abreast one time at the finish but since it was racing, it was 14 breasts abreast.

  • Burly Bartt

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:26pm EDT
    re: Burly Bartt

    Burly Bartt wrote:

    rojo wrote:

    I'm starting to get pumped for tonight's 1500 final and it got me thinking. What's the most number of people you've ever seen battling it out for the win of a major 1500? Have you ever seen 5 guys within like 0.2 of a second of each other?

    Now, the more I think about it, I don't expect 5 guys to be within .2 a second of a 3:31 guy but I'm just wondering if there's ever been a race with like 5 guys diving at the line in a 1500.

    I did a little bit of research. Since 2000, the closets 5th was to 1st at NCAA was 2015 when it was .40 seconds. I found a replay of that race, and there were a TON of guys with 100 to go right there. That could happen tonight. Here is the final 300 of that race:

    Video:youtu.be/6YBtWJ83WHc?si=tZCqJbph-VHMVb...

    If my research was correct, here is the closest 5 races between 1st and 5th at NCAAs since 2000.

    2015- 0.40
    2010 - 0.43
    2023- 0.55
    2022 - 0.65
    2002 - 0.67

    The 2010 race was also quite wild with 100 meters to go as there were 8 guys all right there:

    Video:youtu.be/dpPxP9F4MGM?si=-b9nqQXHS6-D09...
    Historical NCAA results are here:
    Link:trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploa...

    I saw 7 abreast one time at the finish but since it was racing, it was 14 breasts abreast.

    Women racing

  • Gaff

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:33pm EDT
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    Rarely do tactics cost someone a race. Fitness normally wins out.

    Apparently you watch different championship races than I do. Almost every championship race that I've watched is "tactical", thus tactics have a lot to do with winning, losing, or any other places. In most cases there is a very fine line between fitness of runners at the NCAA final level.

    Early leaders are almost always get spit out the back, and those that spend time outside going up and back using moves by bumping & shoving almost always underachieve. And those are just two obvious examples. There are MANY tactic scenarios, positive and negative, that determine the outcome of nearly every championship race.

    In my eyes, tactics holding such an integral part of championship racing is what makes them so exciting.

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    Jonathan Gault

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 6:47pm EDT
    re: Gaff

    2017 NCAA women's final was five abreast midway down home straight.

    YouTube.com
    Women's 1500m - 2017 NCAA outdoor track and field championship
    NCAA Championships
    Michigan's Jaimie Phelan takes first place by less than a tenth of a second over Arkansas's Nikki Hiltz to win the title in the women's 1500m at the 2017 NC...
    Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fqk69w8Wp8

  • Seb Coe..

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 7:20pm EDT
    re: rojo

    Mile instead of 1,500, but 2022 NCAA Mile around the final turn had so many guys go wide

    YouTube.com
    Men's Mile - 2022 NCAA indoor track and field championships
    NCAA Championships
    Mississippi's Mario Garcia Romo ran to a first-place finish with a time of 4:07:54 in the men's mile final at the 2022 NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championsh...
    Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=WefAXkROf3U

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    Finance Bro

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 8:53pm EDT
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    I'm starting to get pumped for tonight's 1500 final and it got me thinking. What's the most number of people you've ever seen battling it out for the win of a major 1500? Have you ever seen 5 guys within like 0.2 of a second of each other?

    Now, the more I think about it, I don't expect 5 guys to be within .2 a second of a 3:31 guy but I'm just wondering if there's ever been a race with like 5 guys diving at the line in a 1500.

    I did a little bit of research. Since 2000, the closets 5th was to 1st at NCAA was 2015 when it was .40 seconds. I found a replay of that race, and there were a TON of guys with 100 to go right there. That could happen tonight. Here is the final 300 of that race:

    Video:youtu.be/6YBtWJ83WHc?si=tZCqJbph-VHMVb...

    If my research was correct, here is the closest 5 races between 1st and 5th at NCAAs since 2000.

    2015- 0.40
    2010 - 0.43
    2023- 0.55
    2022 - 0.65
    2002 - 0.67

    The 2010 race was also quite wild with 100 meters to go as there were 8 guys all right there:

    Video:youtu.be/dpPxP9F4MGM?si=-b9nqQXHS6-D09...
    Historical NCAA results are here:
    Link:trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploa...

    If Sahlman manages a convincing victory, he’d have to be considered a serious threat to make the Paris team.

  • Dorko

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    1 month ago 06/07/2024 11:24pm EDT
    re: rojo

    I’ve never even seen one abreast

  • unfortunate

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    1 month ago 06/08/2024 5:50pm EDT
    re: Dorko

    i dont even know what abreast means, anybody got pics?

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    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    I'm starting to get pumped for tonight's 1500 final and it got me thinking. What's the most number of people you've ever seen battling it out for the win of a major 1500? Have you ever seen 5 guys within like 0.2 of a second of each other?

    Now, the more I think about it, I don't expect 5 guys to be within .2 a second of a 3:31 guy but I'm just wondering if there's ever been a race with like 5 guys diving at the line in a 1500.

    I did a little bit of research. Since 2000, the closets 5th was to 1st at NCAA was 2015 when it was .40 seconds. I found a replay of that race, and there were a TON of guys with 100 to go right there. That could happen tonight. Here is the final 300 of that race:

    Video:youtu.be/6YBtWJ83WHc?si=tZCqJbph-VHMVb...

    If my research was correct, here is the closest 5 races between 1st and 5th at NCAAs since 2000.

    2015- 0.40
    2010 - 0.43
    2023- 0.55
    2022 - 0.65
    2002 - 0.67

    The 2010 race was also quite wild with 100 meters to go as there were 8 guys all right there:

    Video:youtu.be/dpPxP9F4MGM?si=-b9nqQXHS6-D09...
    Historical NCAA results are here:
    Link:trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploa...

    This finish is pretty epic

    YouTube.com
    Photo Finish battle of top Kenya's athletes in 1500m final:World champ trials 2022
    Kenyan Athletics TV
    Video:youtube.com/shorts/0xP90iyL06g?si=bAWu...
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