Are USA adults not capable of rational discussing on Covid vaccine (that it was rushed, helped elderly, does have side effects)

Because the average adult in the USA is stupid and takes pride in being stupid.

US adults are not capable of having a rational discussion on ANY topic.

Americans are simply not rational people

Denial of buyer’s remorse

Because the government response to Covid was scarier than covid itself to many people.

This is a very passionate topic, so hubris trumps logic for some. Most people forget things easily, thus the goalposts being moved many times instead of taking the L. Most people fail to want to take true accountability for being on the losing side of an iconic argument. There has always been an element of deception present, and one side has committed to buying all the deception while the other side notices the many red flags and calls out the problems/lies/deception/tactical scheme. Remember, the institution actually studies humans meticulously and takes advantage of these follies to exploit them and fulfill an agenda. The "experts" siding with Fauci such as doctors are corporate cuckolds who would not risk their career (docs spend 10+ years post secondary going into huge debt) to disobey the big pharma hand feeding them when they have no other career recourse present. The communists take away rights and freedoms to force people to commit to a certain side. Big fraudmaceuticals have a history of billions of dollars in fines and criminal charges which they can easily navigate out of and pay off and again, people forget easily or they're just to naive to acknowledge transgressions.

Holy smokes! EXCELLENT Post!

It's (nearly) all there. "The institution" (presumably this is the one and only Deep State), the "agenda", "Experts" in quotes (perfect)! "Cuckolds". "Big Pharma". Even "Communists"!

Dang, dude, that was AWESOME! If only you could have worked "sheeple" in there somewhere you'd have scored a perfect 10!

Because on issues like this (and many others) Americans see their self-identity as being defined by one side or the other of the debate.

So even if we had perfect, irrefutable, ironclad evidence on something (Evolution, for example), people could not admit they were wrong because it would put their own identities in a place of existential risk.

If XYZ is true, then I no longer exist as the "self" I think I am.

It is well explained in the book The Righteous Mind which is too long for most readers but totally worth it!

Too bad Steve doesn’t know any real doctors. Doctors don’t need “big pharma” for their careers. That’s idiotic.
The reality is most docs looked at the evidence and determined that the vax was needed. no conspiracy needed. Docs understand the risk/reward of medication.

mandates were needed because some (but enough) people are too stupid to do the right thing on their own and are too selfish to do the right thing for the good of society.

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A doctor is someone who practices medicine and then charges as if they know what they are doing.

Were you wearing a mask while typing this?

The funniest part is how all the trendy intellectuals in America view "Big Pharma" with incredible skepticism on opioids and other types of drugs and treatment. But when it comes to vaccines they can't see the cash grab when everyone needs to be jabbed every 3 months. Vaccinations should always have been targeted at risk groups, like the Flu.

and WOKE! the reply needed a WOKE!

This raises the dilemma of where one draws the line for "at risk population", does it not?

The data that the vaccine advisory boards based their decision on shows a net benefit to risk ratio for all age groups. The closest call is for pubescent males which are at higher risk for certain adverse effects. In addition there is a need to consider the possibility of unknown long term effects from both the virus and the vaccine which is inherently subjective.

The real tension comes from the dilemma of how to balance compliance and coercion and how that became politicized.

OP, I think most people do agree with you. Government officials on the other hand are too scared of law suits to admit to what you wrote.

I think those who were COVID vaccine hesitant (for whatever their reason) has shown with time to be reasonable.

There are plenty of accounts of people having adverse COVID vaccine effects (from minor to fatal) and that is what some of those vaccine hesitant were scared of. So I wouldn’t call those vaccine hesitant people “stupid”, as some were scared and didn’t feel the proposed benefit was worth the risk for them. Again, the point of this thread is rational, calm, respectful discussion. Not to call people “stupid”.

The side effects are overstated

Vaccines did no good for anyone's health.

Per the establishment's own stats, lowly vaxxed nations fared far better than highly vaxxed ones.

The initial lie was that the jab did stop the virus and transmission. That was a lie. Have you forgotten that?

Your daily reminder that you're a fncking idiot.