I thought it was pretty well known that Chep was running more conservatively in trying to hit the Olympic standard and not attempting a WR like Yomif was. Let’s see if Yomif can beat him when it matters, so far he hasn’t been able to. I think Chep is still the favorite in Paris
Come on come on come on!!!!!!!! What are you talking about?????????
Did you know how many more seconds Kenenisa Bekele lost at 2008 world xc in edinburgh due to a lost shoe than Cheptegei got blocked at the start of the Laredo 10k?????
And DID YOU SEEEEEEEEE how Bekele ate back up the almost 100m distance or around 10-15 seconds within 4-5min or less than a mile???????????????????????
If you are good you are just good. If you have it in you, you just have it------you will go for it, you will chase him down or chase down the pack EASILY TO BOOT BECAUSE IT'S EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just do it because it's EASY HENCE SO MUCH FUN!!!!!! Cheptegei obviously found it less fun to pursue Kejelcha because HE COULDN'T DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's Bekele for you-----the greatest superconducting distance athlete of all time and space!!!!! Superconductor defined as the faster you run the smaller or seemingly smaller the energy expense!!!!
But as for Cheptegei???? Dun get me laughing pls!!!! He JUST DIDN'T HAVE IT!!!!!!! If he was in 25:50 10k shape which he should be at all times of the year the way Bekele could randomly run a 10k WR at any time of the year even with LESS OR NO TRAINING, I assure you Kejelcha's 26:37 is gonna be easy game/meat for him, do you understand sir?????
It's because Cheptegei is nowhere near GOAT level as the real GOAT Bekele that he cannot spring a WR level 10k race at any time of the year, even with less or no training like Bekele in 2005 and to some extent in 2011 (26:43 no training and sh*tty shoes).
Cheptegei had to rely only on "Oh I was blocked at the start" or "Oh I was just there to obtain a qualifying time that's all" or "Oh if God is for me who can be against me" or " Oh I just didn't want to exert myself too hard"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What BS is all these that comes from the mouth of Cheptegei and his agent Andy?????
Bekele both LOST HIS SHOE, AND, GOT BLOCKED BY A LONG TRAIN OF SLOWER RUNNERS WHILE TRYING TO CATCH BACK UP TO THE FRONT PACK CONTAINING ZERSENAY TADESSE at 2008 World XC and so had to run wider and in a weaving fashion, expending more energy so it seems, and yet caught back up to Zersenay's front pack within a mile!!!!!!!!!!
Cheptegei is weak AF seriously, I need to be honest and direct here, no sugar-coating or favoritism. If Bekele was sh*t I would tell it the same way but Bekele is true GOAT in how he ran and responded to adversity like it was nothing because he was precisely JUST TOO GOOD THAN THE REST OF THE COMPETITION!!!!
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Even if Chep never wins another race, 4 golds, 6 total medals and 2 WR's puts on the Mt Everest of long-distance track. The legacy is already solidified.
Yeah that’s true, but he’s only 27. His massive accomplishments in a short timeframe and recent struggles also merits the “suspicious” hashtag.
Even if Chep never wins another race, 4 golds, 6 total medals and 2 WR's puts on the Mt Everest of long-distance track. The legacy is already solidified.
Yeah that’s true, but he’s only 27. His massive accomplishments in a short timeframe and recent struggles also merits the “suspicious” hashtag.
On the other hand, I think Cheptegei could use some drugs by subconscious temptation seeing how impotent or otherwise he is performance wise compared to a certain Kenenisa Bekele the GOAT. As I said, and please re-read my posts like the Gospel or otherwise okay? I said that Bekele didn't give a damn that he was both BLOCKED, and, LOST A SHOE at World XC 2008 and lost some 100m in distance and still won by 50m before the 200m downhill to the finish line!!!!!
And that was on XC terrain no less!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you know how hard it is to maintain posture, balance, momentum, composure, speed, velocity and acceleration on XC terrain?
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Has there ever been a worse 5000/10000 record holder than this guy?
37th in the marathon DNS 5000 at 2023 champs lost both Diamond League races last year only 9th in 5000 at 2022 champs got destroyed today
We should start calling him Cheaptegui
Well for starters he was obviously doping when he set the WRs. He probably is still saucing right now but not as effectively.
Sorry I don't think so. Cheptegei has never doped in his life, I'm sure of that. But his budding love-ship with Eliud Kipchoge tells me that yes he is on track to be doping soon---such as for the marathon event!!!!
Yes with due respect and honesty (you cannot claim otherwise that I'm not honest if you don't allow me to claim you are pro-doper), I truly believe you are pro-doper, and, pro-doping, period!!!
You claim you 'don't know' on what basis and logic but 1) you don't necessary are conscious of the basis and logic in the first place, or 2) prefer to run away from the basis and logic to avoid your guilty conscience. So, stop the stalking of my comments otherwise I'll do you a favor and hit the block button on your name okay? Yes or no??
"a small handful of posters who seem unable to deal with my pro-facts and anti-myth and anti-fallacy agenda, who seek to avoid any intellectually challenging conversation, make things up in order to hide their failure to elaborate their claims with supporting facts, evidence, and controlled observations."
A small handful of posters? Show me objective evidence according to your pro-objective and pro-fact standards. In the lack of a poll or survey, I'm going to need my freedom to subjectively determine that it isn't 1) small, and isn't 2) handful, and isn't 3) merely posters or those who post. Ball's in your court you pervert!!!
Look, don't tell me what to think about whether my protest is extremely different or extremely the same, you don't know 1) me, and 2) don't know how damn good I really am at finding out the susceptibility in space and time. You can't win any argument with me, or be in the right against me the moment I step into the debate hall because you haven't graduated from pre-school and elementary school 'basic fact-checking' level of reasoning. As the word 'basic' suggest, your intellect is pretty basic indeed rudimentary!!!
If you qualify your defamation each time with "I subjectively believe based on no objective fact, evidence, or observation or reasonable logic", then I might consider it honest. The mods may still not allow it, but you would have my blessing.
Regarding "a small handful of posters", what I conceded is the few I know of recently, i.e. "I do know recently, a small handful of posters ..." and what I don't know, i.e. "90% of LRC". I was willing to concede "a recent small handful", implicitly relieving you of the burden to show any objective evidence for these recent few, because I can think of about 4 off the top of my head. But we can also play it your way. Lacking any objective evidence from either of us, we can only safely conclude that you are the only one harboring such self-delusions.
I did not tell you to think your protest is extremely the same. You can think what you want. This is what I concluded based on subjective reverse psychology guided by my superior ability to correctly assess events in SPACE and TIME.
I don't need to call you "pro-doping" -- you already confessed it repeatedly in this thread. I can simply take you at your word.
I qualify my defamation of rekrunner based on direct observation of rekrunner's behavior and through a reasoned iterative deductive and inductive laws of knowing and understanding that are superior than pre-school-based objective fact-checking and fact-vomiting.
This concludes that rekrunner is probably pro-doping.
Reverse psychology is my psychoanalytic tool domain, I first called it out, not you!!! Meaning, you are again copying me, you are forever copying and using my paradigm mid-way through our debates, and this is the 3rd time I have mentioned it already and shows everybody that you do really respect the level of reason and persuasion power I wield on LRC and on you!!!!!!
I have never mid-way changed stance and took onboard any one of your perverse paradigms of reason and persuasion but you have done so.
For somebody who proclaims to adhere so staunchly to 'basic' pre-school level fact-checking, it sounds pretentious and faked AF that "he is suddenly able to conclude stuff based on psychoanalytic law of reverse psychology guided correctly by superior ability to assess space and time???"
This is the problem with you rekrunner, your moral stance is constantly flip-flopping left and right, up and down based on short-term expedience or pleasure of argument/debate rather than on long-lasting or eternal moral value/principle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is why nobody trusts you. You remind me of the identity of a serial womanizer (LIAR!) who short-term expediently flatters or plays/games the woman in order to get into her panties for the short-term as well and nothing else!!!! And NOBODY ALSO TRUSTS A WOMANIZER'S WORDS!!!!!!
Be honest, are you a womanizer??? Actually forget it, it makes no difference your answer because you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you say NO, but how could I trust an assiduously deduced womanizer?!!!!!!
Oh I foresaw you btw: my asking the womanizer question doesn't subconsciously imply I wanna be, have been, or will want to be a womanizer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have never mid-way changed stance and took onboard any one of your perverse paradigms of reason and persuasion...
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That is why nobody trusts you.
Didn't you just get done asking me "Show me objective evidence according to your pro-objective and pro-fact standards." So much for "I have never mid-way changed stance and took onboard any one of your perverse paradigms of reason and persuasion ...". LOL. Copycat. How pretentious. How fake.
I don't ask anyone for their trust, but only their objective facts, evidence and controlled observations that could support otherwise imaginary claims.
I have never mid-way changed stance and took onboard any one of your perverse paradigms of reason and persuasion...
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That is why nobody trusts you.
Didn't you just get done asking me "Show me objective evidence according to your pro-objective and pro-fact standards." So much for "I have never mid-way changed stance and took onboard any one of your perverse paradigms of reason and persuasion ...". LOL. Copycat. How pretentious. How fake.
I don't ask anyone for their trust, but only their objective facts, evidence and controlled observations that could support otherwise imaginary claims.
Why are you so afraid of these words?
HUH???????
I was asking you to show me objective evidence according TO YOUR own pro-objective beliefs in order to mock and cast aspersion at your pro-objectivity doctrine, not because I'm trying to or am interested in learning your pro-objectivity doctrine!!!!
Unbelievable how you misconstrue, otherwise actually really intentionally harbor malevolence such as pro-doping, everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave you the best available (up till 2024) objective evidence and controlled observations about RF by POINTING YOU to go in search or read those publications I demand of you a student to undertake after already giving you an appetizer of things to come but as Coevett, Steve, Armstrong, tons of anonymous posters who are scared of your pro-doping persona, and finally me myself as the last straw have FOUND OUT, you miraculously bypass all of these information using the very identical-ness of lies a womanizer would use to get into a girl's panties!!!!!!!!!!!! That was why I asked you deductively whether you had been a womanizer once upon a time or still right now????
You started out by eschewing my domain of psychoanalysis and psychoanalytic laws and ended up a month later right now invoking it in front of me albeit as a weapon to disparage and be sarcastic or otherwise!!!!!!
And you say I'm afraid of objective evidence and controlled observations??? I'm probably older than you and I have lived long enough and SEEN EVERYTHING and there is nothing I'm afraid of much less the 'scientific method' seeing that I'm a ONE Physicist and ONE RF Engineer!!!! O-N-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you afraid of you LIAR?????
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I was simply applying your superior method. Don't you think that is a step in the right direction? Funny when you see it, your reflex is to call it pretentious and fake.
Whatever arguments you want to make, you need to make them stand on their own merits. They cannot be made stronger by fabricating lies about me -- not even by using unusually excessive BOLD ITALICS and repeating question marks ???? and exclamation marks !!!!!!!!! For example, whether RF/EMF is making elite runners measurably slower will not become more true under any hypothetical that I am a lying womanizer with a pro-doping agenda.
But remind me again, what is this thread about? I have to disagree with "DESTROYED". Both Kejelcha and Cheptegei ran pretty good 10K road performances (top-15 all time), especially considering it is March, and they both qualify for the Olympics.
Eh. He doesn’t win throughout the year but has gotten gold every year since 2019 + the WR in 2020. So he does time his peak well… unlike the Ethiopians (with the exception of Barega)
Lasse Viren used to look really bad in between Olympics, then he won the double/double.
If there were world championships back then he would have excelled there, too.
He only saw a need to be at peak form in the Olympics.
I was simply applying your superior method. Don't you think that is a step in the right direction? Funny when you see it, your reflex is to call it pretentious and fake.
Whatever arguments you want to make, you need to make them stand on their own merits. They cannot be made stronger by fabricating lies about me -- not even by using unusually excessive BOLD ITALICS and repeating question marks ???? and exclamation marks !!!!!!!!! For example, whether RF/EMF is making elite runners measurably slower will not become more true under any hypothetical that I am a lying womanizer with a pro-doping agenda.
But remind me again, what is this thread about? I have to disagree with "DESTROYED". Both Kejelcha and Cheptegei ran pretty good 10K road performances (top-15 all time), especially considering it is March, and they both qualify for the Olympics.
If my reflex was to call things pretentious and fake then I should have done the same for my good Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley Harding, Steve, Valjean, RF Queen????
Why is my pinpoint RF senses only sensing fakery and pretentious-ness only in you???
Much less I only got to know you the latest or most recent, and have known the rest like Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley and Steve earlier than I know you???
I called none of them fake and pretentious, so why only you????
Is it because I'm like a canary bird in a gold mine able to subjectively sense untoward intentions accurately???
Bold italics is my way of expressing myself and it's definitely better than the sinister facade of fake objectivity!
Come on, 10k road performances weren't frequently raced before 2019/2020, so please save the 'top 15 all time' okay??? If Kenenisa and Haile in their prime got into a serious 10k WR road race 20-30 years ago in lousy shoes no less they would already be running 26:36 and 26:53 already!!!!!
Did you know that because of this Kejelcha and Cheptegei needed to be running 26:16 and 26:33 AT LEAST DUE TO SUPERSHOES to be otherwise equal to what would Kenenisa and Haile would have definitely ran back then without hypothesis????
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I was simply applying your superior method. Don't you think that is a step in the right direction? Funny when you see it, your reflex is to call it pretentious and fake.
Whatever arguments you want to make, you need to make them stand on their own merits. They cannot be made stronger by fabricating lies about me -- not even by using unusually excessive BOLD ITALICS and repeating question marks ???? and exclamation marks !!!!!!!!! For example, whether RF/EMF is making elite runners measurably slower will not become more true under any hypothetical that I am a lying womanizer with a pro-doping agenda.
But remind me again, what is this thread about? I have to disagree with "DESTROYED". Both Kejelcha and Cheptegei ran pretty good 10K road performances (top-15 all time), especially considering it is March, and they both qualify for the Olympics.
The trickery and flattery with words you are so adept at is MOST IDENTICAL TO THE BEHAVIOR OF A CASANOVA OR WOMANIZER!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think I am to you for you to FLIRT with me like that??? You treating me like a woman to be gamed??? I'm not a woman!!!!
I'm very good at identifying patterns about anything!!!! I was once given an IQ question on pattern-finding and solving and I aced it all, right up to the highest MENSA level one!!!!!!
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If my reflex was to call things pretentious and fake then I should have done the same for my good Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley Harding, Steve, Valjean, RF Queen????
Why is my pinpoint RF senses only sensing fakery and pretentious-ness only in you???
Much less I only got to know you the latest or most recent, and have known the rest like Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley and Steve earlier than I know you???
I called none of them fake and pretentious, so why only you????
Is it because I'm like a canary bird in a gold mine able to subjectively sense untoward intentions accurately???
Bold italics is my way of expressing myself and it's definitely better than the sinister facade of fake objectivity!
Come on, 10k road performances weren't frequently raced before 2019/2020, so please save the 'top 15 all time' okay??? If Kenenisa and Haile in their prime got into a serious 10k WR road race 20-30 years ago in lousy shoes no less they would already be running 26:36 and 26:53 already!!!!!
Did you know that because of this Kejelcha and Cheptegei needed to be running 26:16 and 26:33 AT LEAST DUE TO SUPERSHOES to be otherwise equal to what would Kenenisa and Haile would have definitely ran back then without hypothesis????
No one ever said your pinpoint RF senses were accurate. I can't explain these others, but perhaps none of these others challenged you to connect your hypothetical beliefs to objective reality, and perhaps you are just projecting your negative feelings of false pretense for failing to do so onto me as a psychological defense mechanism.
I didn't compare the recent performances of Kejelcha/Cheptegei performances to yesteryear performances of Geb/Bekele -- not sure why that comparison matters in this thread. And of course 10K road races were run long before 2019/2020. Geb was World Best holder in 1994 (27:34) and again in 2002 (27:02). Bill Rodgers was World Best holder in 1976. Leonard Patrick Komon broke 27:00 in 2010 (26:44). For the more frequently run track event, a 26:53 would still be in the top-100 alltime performances.
The trickery and flattery with words you are so adept at is MOST IDENTICAL TO THE BEHAVIOR OF A CASANOVA OR WOMANIZER!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think I am to you for you to FLIRT with me like that??? You treating me like a woman to be gamed??? I'm not a woman!!!!
I'm very good at identifying patterns about anything!!!! I was once given an IQ question on pattern-finding and solving and I aced it all, right up to the highest MENSA level one!!!!!!
You are very good at telling us what you are very good at. If you were even better at these things, it would go without saying.
I really must have missed my calling. I have had some modest success with a handful of women, before settling down with my wife of more than 20 years. Do you think women generally find my persisent requests for objectivity combined with logical coherency attractive? That hasn't been my experience. Do you find it attractive? That was certainly not my intention. No wonder your responses are so emotionally triggered, like the angry woman scorned. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
Whatever arguments you want to make, you need to make them stand on their own merits. They cannot be made stronger by fabricating lies about me -- not even by using unusually excessive BOLD ITALICS and repeating question marks ???? and exclamation marks !!!!!!!!! For example, whether RF/EMF is making elite runners measurably slower will not become more true under any hypothetical that I am a lying womanizer with a pro-doping agenda.
Lying, beneficiary of dopers Renato Canova used to claim in long rants with bold/italics/capital letters that Kenyans didn't dope and it didn't benefit them--then changed his story to top Kenyans instead of Kenyans and that also proved to be a lie.
Has there ever been a worse 5000/10000 record holder than this guy?
37th in the marathon DNS 5000 at 2023 champs lost both Diamond League races last year only 9th in 5000 at 2022 champs got destroyed today
We should start calling him Cheaptegui
He's won gold in the 10k at back to back world championships and is the reigning olympic champ at 5k but I see that you strategically left that out to make it look like he's not good or something
If my reflex was to call things pretentious and fake then I should have done the same for my good Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley Harding, Steve, Valjean, RF Queen????
Why is my pinpoint RF senses only sensing fakery and pretentious-ness only in you???
Much less I only got to know you the latest or most recent, and have known the rest like Coevett, Armstrong, John Wesley and Steve earlier than I know you???
I called none of them fake and pretentious, so why only you????
Is it because I'm like a canary bird in a gold mine able to subjectively sense untoward intentions accurately???
Bold italics is my way of expressing myself and it's definitely better than the sinister facade of fake objectivity!
Come on, 10k road performances weren't frequently raced before 2019/2020, so please save the 'top 15 all time' okay??? If Kenenisa and Haile in their prime got into a serious 10k WR road race 20-30 years ago in lousy shoes no less they would already be running 26:36 and 26:53 already!!!!!
Did you know that because of this Kejelcha and Cheptegei needed to be running 26:16 and 26:33 AT LEAST DUE TO SUPERSHOES to be otherwise equal to what would Kenenisa and Haile would have definitely ran back then without hypothesis????
No one ever said your pinpoint RF senses were accurate. I can't explain these others, but perhaps none of these others challenged you to connect your hypothetical beliefs to objective reality, and perhaps you are just projecting your negative feelings of false pretense for failing to do so onto me as a psychological defense mechanism.
I didn't compare the recent performances of Kejelcha/Cheptegei performances to yesteryear performances of Geb/Bekele -- not sure why that comparison matters in this thread. And of course 10K road races were run long before 2019/2020. Geb was World Best holder in 1994 (27:34) and again in 2002 (27:02). Bill Rodgers was World Best holder in 1976. Leonard Patrick Komon broke 27:00 in 2010 (26:44). For the more frequently run track event, a 26:53 would still be in the top-100 alltime performances.
Valjean the biotechnologist did challenge me to connect my 'hypothetical beliefs to 'objective reality'' but with 1 difference-----she was SUBJECTIVELY A LADY/WOMAN/GIRL and seems to work in the medical industry or medical related stuff. This means she has subjective sympathy and/or 'affinity' hence in-built FAITHHHHHHHHH predisposed. You have no such predisposition being in the probably pro-doping realm!!!
I also argued in circles with her and it was no ending because she was also pushing the 'objective reality' doctrine but I finally manage to convince her that anthropogenic RF was indeed not only PROBABLY DEADLY, but VERY-VERY-VERY-VERY SO!!!!!! She was honest and open and I can sense 2 serious and non-pretentious adults having a real conversation the way my eyes sense the lack of sunlight and start making the anti-oxidant melatonin----yes it's that RF-accurate okay??? Goes to show that you are absolutely ignorant and babe-like in the realm of RF when you don't even know your body can SUBCONSCIOUSLY (NO LESS!) sense light or EMFs/RFs and produce myriad hormones and other electro-chemical products!!!!
I however, didn't RF-sensed that with you in our conversations and I'm shocked you are a married man of 20 years because I gasped at how depleted your relationship and conversation with your wife could be given what I experienced, and many others on LRC, with you and your brand of aimless (without moral value nor principle) objectivity that is therefore probably pro-doping.
Yes a 26:52 for Grant Fisher is in favor of him but not for Cheptegei!!!! Grant Fisher's track PB is around 26:43 while Cheptegei is not only a seasoned veteran but a WR holder in supposedly 26:11!!! That's why I look upon 'objective facts' with a pinch of salt because they depend only on rote-learning or rote-memory and requires no subjective skillsets of deductive and inductive reasoning!!!!! The difference between 26:53 and 26:11, and, 26:52 and 26:43, regardless of track/road or otherwise is quite repugnant in this regard!!!
Cheptegei should be regularly running at his level at a minimum of 26:30 and under if he can't run below 26:20 regularly. But if this was the guy we supposed to think would be going under 26min before the end of his career or long past ago then 26:53 would be minute of disparity in difference!!!!!
You omitted to mention Kenenisa Bekele who gave an interview recently that he was never in good enough shape to run his 26:17 10k WR in 2005. He was injured in the lead up to that race in Brussels and didn't really get in much training for it. He was trying to say he already had a 25:59 in him on bad shoes if he had been healthy and got in training.
You do remember he ran 26:25 solo for the final 5k in Prefontaine Classic in 2008 still and finished the race hardly breathing at all. Coming to the roads, he has never seriously attempted a 10k WR type race but given all his exploits on all surfaces so far and how so well he has displayed his skills, no objectivity is needed to assume he would be at least faster than Rhoenex Kipruto's 26:24 10k road WR on poor shoes no less.