Without the US involvement in the war, it would have probably dragged on for years with the USSR and Germany bleeding each other to death. Without the US intervention, the Nazis would have been able to better support its forces in Russia and the major battles in Leningrad and Stalingrad would have gone on for years.
Hitler did send U Boats to the East Coast and attacked shipping lanes in the Gulf of Mexico. The Nazis did not have enough naval power to be able to cross the Atlantic and launch a full scale invasion of the US. But if they were successful in their conquest of Western Europe, an attack on the US would have been certain.
As for the economics, WWII helped the US emerge from the Great Depression and set the stage for one of the most prosperous decades in US history. The GI bill did more to establish the middle class in the US by sending millions to college who would have never been able to go but for the bill. It also set the stage for the US to be a world leader in industrial production, something that would later get pissed away by neoliberal globalization.
First of all, Nazi Germany declared war on the US first, after we declared war on Japan. The US then responded in kind. (I hope you can agree that declaring war on Japan was appropriate and necessary after pearl harbor.) Given the alliances, it was completely unrealistic for us to only go to war with Japan. It was also a very real threat in 1941 that the Nazis would win their two-front war with Britain and USSR, then funnel resources to Japan to assist them in defeating their only real remaining threat (the USA), or simply attack directly.
I strongly encourage you to read a history book and refrain from engaging in Nazi apologist propaganda online.
It makes no sense that we got involved in Europe. Huge waste of time and money just have tens of millions die.
Agreed. This was not our fight. And it was terribly wrong to provoke Japan the way we did (economic sanctions etc).
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Without the US involvement in the war, it would have probably dragged on for years with the USSR and Germany bleeding each other to death. Without the US intervention, the Nazis would have been able to better support its forces in Russia and the major battles in Leningrad and Stalingrad would have gone on for years.
Hitler did send U Boats to the East Coast and attacked shipping lanes in the Gulf of Mexico. The Nazis did not have enough naval power to be able to cross the Atlantic and launch a full scale invasion of the US. But if they were successful in their conquest of Western Europe, an attack on the US would have been certain.
As for the economics, WWII helped the US emerge from the Great Depression and set the stage for one of the most prosperous decades in US history. The GI bill did more to establish the middle class in the US by sending millions to college who would have never been able to go but for the bill. It also set the stage for the US to be a world leader in industrial production, something that would later get pissed away by neoliberal globalization.
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
Back in 1930s, U.S. couldn't decide which nation or nations to support. The percentage of Gentile Germans in U.S. was significant then. Of course Gentile Germans were on the side of Germany. There were many U.S. intellectuals on the side of Germany, 1930s and opposed to Soviet Union. This was not an easy decision for F.D.R. and his administration. Some say F.D.R. administration needed U.S. to suffer something significant in order for U.S. to get in WW2 and to side with Soviet Union and against Germany.
If the US hadn't been agitating for war throughout the late 1930s, I think history would have been very different.
- Most importantly, the UK and France would not have declared war on Germany after Germany and the USSR invaded Poland. They would have said "This is a war between Poland, Germany, and the USSR. We are peace-loving people and we are unhappy whenever there is war, but this doesn't involve us and we are not going to pick sides or get involved." It never really made sense to start a war with Germany over Poland. (If the UK and France really cared so much about Poland, why didn't they also declare war against the USSR? Why didn't they object when the USSR took over Poland at the end of the war?) No, the real reason they declared war is that the USA was leaning heavily on them to do so.
- Germany would not have invaded Western Europe. Hitler did so only because France and the UK declared war on his country. He especially didn't want war with the UK, a country he admired and with which he felt an ethnic kinship. His main concern was the USSR.
- If the US didn't want to enter the war it would not have provoked Japan. The US and Japan would have kept trading. Sure the US might have written firmly worded letters complaining about Japan's war against China. But with no economic sanctions on it, Japan wouldn't have had any need to invade southeast Asia and certainly wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor.
- I think Germany, Italy, Finland, and Japan (and perhaps other central European countries such as Latvia and Lithuania) would have negotiated an alliance against the USSR. Under these conditions, I doubt there would have been a war between the USSR and Germany.
TLDR: Without US involvement, there would have been no World War II. No US lives lost. No UK lives lost. No French lives lost. No Japanese lives lost. No bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No firebombing of Dresden. No Battle of Britain. Perhaps no USSR lives lost. No Pearl Harbor. Poland would have become a colony of Germany rather than the USSR.
Patton said we fought the Wrong Enemy and that in 50 years, USA would have corruption and Degeneracy, Wether or not you think we fought the wrong enemy or not it is clear Corruption and Degeneracy have skyrocketed in the USA
Without the US involvement in the war, it would have probably dragged on for years with the USSR and Germany bleeding each other to death. Without the US intervention, the Nazis would have been able to better support its forces in Russia and the major battles in Leningrad and Stalingrad would have gone on for years.
Hitler did send U Boats to the East Coast and attacked shipping lanes in the Gulf of Mexico. The Nazis did not have enough naval power to be able to cross the Atlantic and launch a full scale invasion of the US. But if they were successful in their conquest of Western Europe, an attack on the US would have been certain.
As for the economics, WWII helped the US emerge from the Great Depression and set the stage for one of the most prosperous decades in US history. The GI bill did more to establish the middle class in the US by sending millions to college who would have never been able to go but for the bill. It also set the stage for the US to be a world leader in industrial production, something that would later get pissed away by neoliberal globalization.
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
How can we take you seriously when you say something like this? The US entered WWII in 1941.
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
How can we take you seriously when you say something like this? The US entered WWII in 1941.
To support this point, the US had troops fighting in Africa as early as May 1942. The allied invasion of Italy began in 1943
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
How can we take you seriously when you say something like this? The US entered WWII in 1941.
Yes after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor which was because of Sanctions put on Japan over the philipines
If the US hadn't been agitating for war throughout the late 1930s, I think history would have been very different.
- Most importantly, the UK and France would not have declared war on Germany after Germany and the USSR invaded Poland. They would have said "This is a war between Poland, Germany, and the USSR. We are peace-loving people and we are unhappy whenever there is war, but this doesn't involve us and we are not going to pick sides or get involved." It never really made sense to start a war with Germany over Poland. (If the UK and France really cared so much about Poland, why didn't they also declare war against the USSR? Why didn't they object when the USSR took over Poland at the end of the war?) No, the real reason they declared war is that the USA was leaning heavily on them to do so.
- Germany would not have invaded Western Europe. Hitler did so only because France and the UK declared war on his country. He especially didn't want war with the UK, a country he admired and with which he felt an ethnic kinship. His main concern was the USSR.
- If the US didn't want to enter the war it would not have provoked Japan. The US and Japan would have kept trading. Sure the US might have written firmly worded letters complaining about Japan's war against China. But with no economic sanctions on it, Japan wouldn't have had any need to invade southeast Asia and certainly wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor.
- I think Germany, Italy, Finland, and Japan (and perhaps other central European countries such as Latvia and Lithuania) would have negotiated an alliance against the USSR. Under these conditions, I doubt there would have been a war between the USSR and Germany.
TLDR: Without US involvement, there would have been no World War II. No US lives lost. No UK lives lost. No French lives lost. No Japanese lives lost. No bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No firebombing of Dresden. No Battle of Britain. Perhaps no USSR lives lost. No Pearl Harbor. Poland would have become a colony of Germany rather than the USSR.
I've read some stupid things on this board... but this really stands out.